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Can I collect Washington ESD unemployment benefits if I got fired from my job?

I was terminated from my retail job last week after working there for 8 months. My manager said it was due to poor performance but I feel like they were just looking for reasons to let me go. I've never been fired before and I'm not sure if this disqualifies me from getting unemployment benefits. Can you still file for Washington ESD unemployment if you get fired? What do I need to know before I apply?

Yes, you can potentially collect unemployment even if you were fired, but it depends on the reason. Washington ESD will determine if you were terminated for 'misconduct' or not. Poor performance usually isn't considered misconduct unless it was willful or you ignored warnings. You should definitely file a claim - let Washington ESD make the determination.

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Thanks, that's reassuring. I never had any written warnings, just verbal feedback that I thought was normal coaching. Should I mention that when I file?

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Absolutely mention the lack of written warnings. Document everything you can remember about the termination conversation and any performance discussions you had.

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I got fired from my warehouse job for attendance issues and still got approved for unemployment. Took about 3 weeks for adjudication though. The key is being honest about what happened when you file your claim.

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How long did the whole process take from filing to getting your first payment?

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About 5 weeks total including the adjudication period. Make sure you keep filing your weekly claims even during adjudication or you'll lose those weeks.

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The difference between misconduct and poor performance is crucial here. Misconduct is deliberate violations of company policy, while poor performance is usually just not meeting expectations. Washington ESD has specific criteria they use to evaluate these cases. If your employer contests your claim, you'll go through adjudication where both sides present their case.

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What happens if my former employer fights my unemployment claim? Do I need to hire a lawyer?

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You don't need a lawyer for the initial adjudication process. Washington ESD will conduct a fact-finding interview with both you and your employer. Just be truthful and provide any documentation you have.

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I went through this last year and the adjudication interview was pretty straightforward. They asked about the circumstances of my termination and what led up to it.

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If you're having trouble getting through to Washington ESD to ask questions about your specific situation, I found this service called Claimyr (claimyr.com) that helps you actually reach a real person at the unemployment office. They have a video demo at https://youtu.be/7DieNd3C7zQ showing how it works. Saved me hours of busy signals when I needed to clarify something about my claim.

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That sounds helpful. I've been worried about not being able to get through if I have questions during the process.

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Wait, you have to pay to talk to unemployment? That seems wrong somehow...

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It's not required, just an option if you need to speak with someone quickly. The regular phone lines are free but can take forever to get through.

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DOCUMENT EVERYTHING! I can't stress this enough. Write down the exact words your manager used when firing you, the date, any witnesses present, and your employment history there. If this goes to adjudication, details matter.

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Good point. I should probably write this down while it's still fresh in my memory.

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Also keep copies of any performance reviews, emails, or other documentation from your time there. Even if they seem negative, they might help show the termination wasn't for misconduct.

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ugh the whole system is so confusing. i got fired from my last job too but was too scared to file thinking id get denied automatically. sounds like i should have tried

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It's never too late to learn for next time. The worst they can do is deny your claim, but you might be surprised and get approved.

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yeah i guess ur right. at least now i know for the future

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One more thing - make sure you file your claim as soon as possible. There's no waiting period benefit, but you want to get the process started. You can file online through the Washington ESD website or over the phone.

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Is the online filing pretty straightforward? I've never done this before.

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Yes, it walks you through step by step. Just have your employment information handy - dates, wages, reason for separation, etc.

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The online system is way easier than calling. I tried calling first and was on hold for like 2 hours before giving up.

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What if they say it was misconduct but you disagree? Can you fight that decision?

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Yes, you can appeal any negative determination. You have 30 days from the date of the decision to file an appeal with the Office of Administrative Hearings.

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Good to know there's an appeal process. This whole system seems really complicated.

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I manage a team and have had to deal with unemployment claims from both sides. Honestly, unless someone was stealing or something really egregious, most terminations don't rise to the level of misconduct. Poor performance alone usually doesn't disqualify you.

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That's reassuring coming from a manager's perspective. I definitely wasn't stealing or anything like that.

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This is good insight. What would you consider misconduct vs poor performance from an employer's viewpoint?

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Misconduct would be things like theft, violence, harassment, deliberately ignoring safety rules, excessive unexcused absences. Poor performance is more like not meeting sales goals, making mistakes, or struggling with job duties.

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File ASAP but also start job searching immediately. Washington ESD requires you to be actively looking for work and you'll need to report your job search activities on your weekly claims.

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How many jobs do I need to apply to each week? I've heard different numbers.

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You need to make at least 3 job search contacts per week. This can include applying for jobs, networking, going to job fairs, etc. Keep a log of everything.

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Been there! Got fired from my restaurant job for 'attitude problems' (aka standing up for myself when they were violating labor laws). Still got unemployment after adjudication. The key is being honest and having documentation.

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How long did your adjudication take? I'm worried about how long I'll be without income.

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Mine took about 4 weeks. It was stressful but I eventually got all the back pay from when I first filed. Just keep filing your weekly claims even if you're not getting paid yet.

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The adjudication process isn't as scary as it sounds. They'll schedule a phone interview with you and ask about the circumstances of your termination. Just be truthful and provide any evidence you have that supports your side.

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Do they record these interviews? Should I take notes during the call?

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I don't think they record them but taking notes is a good idea. Write down the interviewer's name and the main points you discussed.

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Whatever you do, don't lie on your application. They'll find out and it'll hurt your case. If you got fired, say you got fired and explain the circumstances honestly.

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I definitely won't lie. I'm just worried about how to explain it in a way that doesn't make me look bad.

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Just stick to the facts. Don't editorialize or blame anyone. State what happened objectively and let Washington ESD make the determination.

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I used to stress about this stuff until I realized that unemployment insurance is something we all pay into through our employers. It's not welfare - it's insurance. If you lose your job through no fault of your own, you deserve to collect.

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That's a good way to think about it. I guess I shouldn't feel ashamed about filing.

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Exactly! You've earned this benefit through your work history. Don't let anyone make you feel bad about using it.

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Just wanted to follow up on the Claimyr thing I mentioned earlier - I ended up using their service again when I had questions about my adjudication status. Super helpful for actually getting through to someone when you need answers quickly.

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I might look into that if I run into issues. Thanks for the recommendation.

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I've been trying to call Washington ESD for weeks about my claim. Maybe I should check this out too.

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The waiting is the worst part. I was so anxious during my adjudication period, constantly checking my account for updates. Try to stay busy with job searching and don't obsess over it too much.

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That's probably good advice. I tend to overthink things when I'm stressed.

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Same here! The uncertainty is brutal but most cases do get resolved eventually. Just be patient and keep filing your weekly claims.

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Quick question - if you get approved for unemployment after being fired, does that go on your record somehow? Like will future employers see that you collected benefits?

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No, collecting unemployment benefits is not public record and won't show up on background checks. It's private information between you and Washington ESD.

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Good to know. I was worried about that affecting future job prospects.

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Hope everything works out for you OP! Being fired sucks but it's not the end of the world. I got fired from my job two years ago and it ended up being the push I needed to find something better. Sometimes these things happen for a reason.

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Thanks for the encouragement. I'm trying to stay positive and see this as an opportunity to find something better.

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That's the right attitude! Use this time to really think about what you want in your next job. Good luck!

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One last tip - if you do get denied initially, don't give up. A lot of denials get overturned on appeal. I know someone who got denied, appealed, and won at the hearing. The appeals process gives you a chance to present your case more thoroughly.

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That's good to know. I really hope it doesn't come to that but it's reassuring to know there are options.

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The whole process can be nerve-wracking but try not to stress too much. You have rights as a worker and Washington ESD is generally fair in their determinations.

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Thanks everyone for all the helpful info in this thread! I was in a similar situation last month and reading these responses really helped me understand the process better. Filed my claim and got approved after a short adjudication period.

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That's awesome! Gives me hope that everything will work out. Thanks for sharing your experience.

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You've got this! The hardest part is just filing that initial claim. After that, it's mostly waiting and keeping up with your weekly claims.

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