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ESD is so inconsistent! my friend got approved for training ben. for her CDL training but i got denied for almost the same thing. it depends entirely on which worker reviews ur case and what mood their in that day. some of them don't know their own rules!!!! keep calling back til u get someone who will actually help u instead of just saying no.
UPDATE on Training Benefits rules for 2025: ESD has slightly broadened their interpretation of what qualifies as "substantially different occupation" for Commissioner Approved Training. The key factors now include: 1. Wage difference (10%+ potential increase helps your case) 2. Different skill set requirements (documented by DOT codes) 3. Different working conditions or environment 4. Industry demand (higher demand occupations get priority) For union apprenticeships specifically, you need to emphasize that this is a completely different career path requiring specialized training that wasn't part of your previous work. Don't frame it as advancement or career development - frame it as necessary retraining for employment. Also, be aware that even if you're denied Training Benefits (the extension), you can still get Commissioner Approved Training status which waives job search requirements while you train.
This is incredibly valuable information! The operators position would definitely be at least a 25% wage increase and involves completely different machinery and skills. I'll make sure to emphasize those points and use the language you suggested about retraining rather than advancement. Thank you so much!
Update us after your hearing! I have mine next month and I'm TERRIFIED. No idea what to expect or how formal it is. Will the judge interrupt a lot? Can I bring notes? Is it like a real court?? So many questions and ESD gives zero helpful info as usual.
I've been through several unemployment appeal hearings (both as a claimant and later helping others). It's much less formal than regular court. Here's what to expect: - It's typically conducted by phone or Zoom now - The Administrative Law Judge (ALJ) will begin by explaining the process and swearing everyone in - You'll be able to use notes (definitely prepare these in advance) - The judge will ask specific questions rather than having you present a case - Your employer will have a chance to give their side and you'll have a chance to respond - The whole thing usually takes 30-60 minutes Best advice: answer questions directly without going off-topic, be honest but highlight facts that support your eligibility, and don't interrupt the judge or employer when they're speaking. Stay calm and stick to factual information rather than emotional arguments.
i just had my hearing yesterday and it wasn't as bad as i thought! the judge was actually pretty nice and let me explain everything. the weird part was my old boss seemed totally confused about why i was fired and gave different reasons than what was in my denial letter from ESD lol. hoping that helps my case!
That's really reassuring! Did you have any documentation with you or just explained your situation? And how long did they say it would take to get a decision? I'm trying to prepare for every possibility.
this happened to me to. the letter was about some job search audit from 2020!! they claiming I didnt do enough job searches even tho the requirement was waived during covid??? make it make sense lol. such a joke.
UPDATE: Finally got through to ESD this morning after trying when they first opened! The letter was actually about potential identity theft - someone tried to file a new claim using my information, which triggered their security system. The rep helped me secure my account and file a fraud report. So glad I didn't ignore this! They said there's been a wave of fraud attempts targeting old Covid-era accounts. Everyone should check their accounts and make sure their contact info is up to date.
Thanks for updating us! That's actually the third case I've heard about identity theft attempts triggering these notices. Glad you got it resolved and there wasn't an overpayment issue. For anyone else seeing this - definitely worth checking your account security and updating passwords if you haven't logged in since 2020.
wait a minute, i just remembered! my friend had this happen and what fixed it wasnt even an appeal. she called esd and asked for a "redetermination" first which is faster than a appeal. might be worth trying that route?
This is actually good advice. A redetermination request can sometimes be processed faster than a formal appeal, especially if it's clearly a misunderstanding about the nature of your separation. You can request both simultaneously - the redetermination and also file the appeal as a backup in case the redetermination doesn't work out. Just be mindful of deadlines for both processes.
Update: I was able to reach an ESD agent today! They said my situation is actually pretty common, and they see it often with severance packages. They suggested I submit a detailed letter explaining that the company initiated the separation through a formal workforce reduction program, along with the severance documentation. She also mentioned requesting a redetermination first before going through the whole appeal process. Feeling much more hopeful now. Thanks everyone for your help!
CosmicCowboy
i had something kinda similar happen last month... forgot about a temp job i did for like 3 weeks... what worked for me was sending a message through the eservices portal thing using the 'contact us' option... took like 4 days but someone actually responded and told me what to do
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Miguel Ramos
•I didn't realize you could send messages through eServices! I'll try that right now. Did they just have you upload documents or did you have to do something else?
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CosmicCowboy
•they had me fill out some form about missing employment (cant remember what its called) and upload my paystubs. then they put my claim on hold for like 2 weeks while they checked everything. kinda sucked waiting but at least it got fixed
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QuantumQuasar
Just wondering - was the Texas job W-2 employment or contract/1099 work? Makes a difference in how ESD processes it.
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Miguel Ramos
•It was regular W-2 employment at a warehouse. I have my W-2 from them and about 5 paystubs. I just completely blanked when filling out the application because it was such a short job between two longer Washington jobs.
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