Social Security family maximum with minor kids - calculated on early retirement or FRA benefit?
I'm turning 62 next month and planning to claim my Social Security retirement benefits early, but I have a 14-year-old son and 12-year-old daughter who would qualify for dependent benefits. I'm confused about how the family maximum limit works in this situation. Specifically, I need to know if the family maximum is calculated based on: 1) My reduced early retirement benefit amount (claiming at 62) 2) What my benefit would have been at my full retirement age (67) Also, will my children's dependent benefits be calculated off my reduced benefit amount or what I would have received at FRA? My estimated benefit at 62 is about $1,780/month, while at FRA it would be around $2,600/month. This makes a big difference for our household budget since we're relying on these funds for my son's medical expenses. My ex-wife has never worked enough quarters to qualify for SS benefits, so we're counting on my record for the kids. I've been on hold with SSA for hours over multiple days and can't get a clear answer. Thanks in advance for any help!
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Yara Sayegh
The family maximum is calculated based on your Primary Insurance Amount (PIA), which is the benefit amount you would receive at your full retirement age - not your reduced early retirement benefit. This is good news for you and your children. However, your children's individual benefits are calculated based on your actual benefit amount. Since you're taking benefits early at 62, your children will receive benefits based on your reduced amount. Each child can receive up to 50% of your PIA, but this will be reduced proportionally to how much your own benefit is reduced. So if your FRA benefit would be $2,600, but you're taking $1,780 at age 62 (about 68.5% of your FRA amount), your children's benefits would also be affected by that reduction. Instead of each potentially getting $1,300 (50% of your FRA amount), they'd get around $890 each (50% of your actual benefit). But the maximum family benefit would still be calculated based on your PIA at full retirement age, not your reduced benefit.
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Connor Murphy
•Thank you so much for the clear explanation! So just to make sure I understand correctly: The family maximum is based on my FRA amount ($2,600), but each child's individual benefit is based on my reduced amount ($1,780)? So if the family maximum works out to be, say, $4,550 (just making up a number), we'd be within that limit even if both kids get benefits? Since my benefit ($1,780) + kid 1 ($890) + kid 2 ($890) = $3,560?
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NebulaNova
i was in simlar situation last yr with my grandkids. SSA tells you one thing on phone then different at office!!!! So frustrating!! my granddauter ended up with less than they first said. watch out for that family max, its confusing and they NEVER explain it right.
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Keisha Williams
•This is exactly why I record ALL my conversations with SSA! They told me three different answers about my widows benefits in the same week. The family maximum formula is actually pretty complicated - it's not just a simple percentage. It's based on "bend points" in your PIA calculation and has multiple tiers. The SSA employees themselves get confused about it ALL THE TIME.
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Paolo Conti
From what i understand Family maximum is like 150-180% of your FRA benefit. not your reduced benefit. But dont quote me on the exact percentage lol. My brother in law claimed at 62 with 3 kids and they all got benefits but less than if hed waited till FRA.
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Amina Diallo
•You're close! The family maximum is actually calculated using a complex formula with "bend points" similar to how the PIA is calculated, but it typically ends up being between 150% and 188% of your PIA (your FRA benefit amount). For the original poster: The key thing to understand is that when you claim early, you are permanently reducing YOUR benefit, and consequently, you're also reducing your children's benefits. However, the family maximum formula itself is still based on your PIA (what you would get at FRA), not your reduced benefit. This is an important distinction because it affects how benefits are proportionally distributed when you hit the family maximum limit. If the total family benefits would exceed the maximum, each dependent's benefit gets proportionally reduced.
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Oliver Schulz
Has anyone successfully reached SSA to get an official calculation??? I spent 2 HOURS on hold last week trying to ask about my disability application and then got disconnected!!! This is ridiculous how they treat us after we've paid into the system our whole lives!!!
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Natasha Kuznetsova
•I found a service called Claimyr that helped me get through to SSA without the ridiculous wait time. You can check them out at claimyr.com - they have a video that shows how it works: https://youtu.be/Z-BRbJw3puU. Basically they hold your place in line and call you when an agent picks up. Saved me hours of frustration when I needed to sort out my spouse's survivor benefits. Way better than trying to get through on your own.
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Amina Diallo
To address your specific questions more precisely: 1. Family Maximum Calculation: This is based on your Primary Insurance Amount (PIA) - which is your benefit at Full Retirement Age - NOT your reduced early retirement benefit. This is established in SSA regulations under 20 CFR § 404.403. 2. Children's Benefits Calculation: Each child is eligible for up to 50% of your PIA, but since you're claiming early, their benefits are proportionally reduced based on your actual benefit amount. Here's a simplified example using your numbers: - Your PIA (FRA benefit): $2,600 - Your reduced benefit at 62: $1,780 (about 68.5% of PIA) - Each child's benefit would be: 50% × $1,780 = $890 The family maximum might be around 175% of your PIA, so approximately $4,550. The total family benefits ($1,780 + $890 + $890 = $3,560) would be under this maximum, so no additional reductions would apply. I recommend requesting a detailed benefits calculation from SSA for your specific situation.
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Connor Murphy
•Thank you for breaking it down like this! This makes much more sense now. If I'm understanding correctly, my early filing reduces my own benefit AND my children's benefits, but the family maximum ceiling is still calculated on the higher FRA amount. Is there any advantage to me waiting until FRA given that my kids will age out before I reach 67 anyway? My son will turn 18 in 4 years, and my daughter in 6 years.
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Yara Sayegh
To answer your follow-up question: Since your children will age out of eligibility before you reach your FRA at 67, there might not be a significant advantage to waiting if your primary concern is maximizing their benefits. By claiming at 62, you'll receive your reduced benefit of $1,780, and each child will receive approximately $890. If you waited until FRA, you'd get the full $2,600, and they'd each get $1,300, but they would receive these higher amounts for fewer years or not at all depending on exactly when they turn 18 (or 19 if still in high school). Given your son's medical expenses, claiming early might make more financial sense for your family's current needs. Just be aware that your own benefit will remain permanently reduced even after your children are no longer receiving benefits.
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NebulaNova
•this is why SS is so hard!!! so many factors to consider!! and dont forget they stop benefits at 18 unless the kid is still in highschool, then it goes to 19 i think? but then you have college costs to think about too!!
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