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Social Security family maximum with minor kids - calculated on early retirement or FRA benefit?

I'm turning 62 next month and planning to claim my Social Security retirement benefits early, but I have a 14-year-old son and 12-year-old daughter who would qualify for dependent benefits. I'm confused about how the family maximum limit works in this situation. Specifically, I need to know if the family maximum is calculated based on: 1) My reduced early retirement benefit amount (claiming at 62) 2) What my benefit would have been at my full retirement age (67) Also, will my children's dependent benefits be calculated off my reduced benefit amount or what I would have received at FRA? My estimated benefit at 62 is about $1,780/month, while at FRA it would be around $2,600/month. This makes a big difference for our household budget since we're relying on these funds for my son's medical expenses. My ex-wife has never worked enough quarters to qualify for SS benefits, so we're counting on my record for the kids. I've been on hold with SSA for hours over multiple days and can't get a clear answer. Thanks in advance for any help!

The family maximum is calculated based on your Primary Insurance Amount (PIA), which is the benefit amount you would receive at your full retirement age - not your reduced early retirement benefit. This is good news for you and your children. However, your children's individual benefits are calculated based on your actual benefit amount. Since you're taking benefits early at 62, your children will receive benefits based on your reduced amount. Each child can receive up to 50% of your PIA, but this will be reduced proportionally to how much your own benefit is reduced. So if your FRA benefit would be $2,600, but you're taking $1,780 at age 62 (about 68.5% of your FRA amount), your children's benefits would also be affected by that reduction. Instead of each potentially getting $1,300 (50% of your FRA amount), they'd get around $890 each (50% of your actual benefit). But the maximum family benefit would still be calculated based on your PIA at full retirement age, not your reduced benefit.

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Thank you so much for the clear explanation! So just to make sure I understand correctly: The family maximum is based on my FRA amount ($2,600), but each child's individual benefit is based on my reduced amount ($1,780)? So if the family maximum works out to be, say, $4,550 (just making up a number), we'd be within that limit even if both kids get benefits? Since my benefit ($1,780) + kid 1 ($890) + kid 2 ($890) = $3,560?

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i was in simlar situation last yr with my grandkids. SSA tells you one thing on phone then different at office!!!! So frustrating!! my granddauter ended up with less than they first said. watch out for that family max, its confusing and they NEVER explain it right.

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This is exactly why I record ALL my conversations with SSA! They told me three different answers about my widows benefits in the same week. The family maximum formula is actually pretty complicated - it's not just a simple percentage. It's based on "bend points" in your PIA calculation and has multiple tiers. The SSA employees themselves get confused about it ALL THE TIME.

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From what i understand Family maximum is like 150-180% of your FRA benefit. not your reduced benefit. But dont quote me on the exact percentage lol. My brother in law claimed at 62 with 3 kids and they all got benefits but less than if hed waited till FRA.

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You're close! The family maximum is actually calculated using a complex formula with "bend points" similar to how the PIA is calculated, but it typically ends up being between 150% and 188% of your PIA (your FRA benefit amount). For the original poster: The key thing to understand is that when you claim early, you are permanently reducing YOUR benefit, and consequently, you're also reducing your children's benefits. However, the family maximum formula itself is still based on your PIA (what you would get at FRA), not your reduced benefit. This is an important distinction because it affects how benefits are proportionally distributed when you hit the family maximum limit. If the total family benefits would exceed the maximum, each dependent's benefit gets proportionally reduced.

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Has anyone successfully reached SSA to get an official calculation??? I spent 2 HOURS on hold last week trying to ask about my disability application and then got disconnected!!! This is ridiculous how they treat us after we've paid into the system our whole lives!!!

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To address your specific questions more precisely: 1. Family Maximum Calculation: This is based on your Primary Insurance Amount (PIA) - which is your benefit at Full Retirement Age - NOT your reduced early retirement benefit. This is established in SSA regulations under 20 CFR § 404.403. 2. Children's Benefits Calculation: Each child is eligible for up to 50% of your PIA, but since you're claiming early, their benefits are proportionally reduced based on your actual benefit amount. Here's a simplified example using your numbers: - Your PIA (FRA benefit): $2,600 - Your reduced benefit at 62: $1,780 (about 68.5% of PIA) - Each child's benefit would be: 50% × $1,780 = $890 The family maximum might be around 175% of your PIA, so approximately $4,550. The total family benefits ($1,780 + $890 + $890 = $3,560) would be under this maximum, so no additional reductions would apply. I recommend requesting a detailed benefits calculation from SSA for your specific situation.

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Thank you for breaking it down like this! This makes much more sense now. If I'm understanding correctly, my early filing reduces my own benefit AND my children's benefits, but the family maximum ceiling is still calculated on the higher FRA amount. Is there any advantage to me waiting until FRA given that my kids will age out before I reach 67 anyway? My son will turn 18 in 4 years, and my daughter in 6 years.

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To answer your follow-up question: Since your children will age out of eligibility before you reach your FRA at 67, there might not be a significant advantage to waiting if your primary concern is maximizing their benefits. By claiming at 62, you'll receive your reduced benefit of $1,780, and each child will receive approximately $890. If you waited until FRA, you'd get the full $2,600, and they'd each get $1,300, but they would receive these higher amounts for fewer years or not at all depending on exactly when they turn 18 (or 19 if still in high school). Given your son's medical expenses, claiming early might make more financial sense for your family's current needs. Just be aware that your own benefit will remain permanently reduced even after your children are no longer receiving benefits.

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this is why SS is so hard!!! so many factors to consider!! and dont forget they stop benefits at 18 unless the kid is still in highschool, then it goes to 19 i think? but then you have college costs to think about too!!

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This is really helpful advice! I'm leaning toward claiming early given our situation. Just want to clarify one more thing - when you say the children's benefits stop at 18 (or 19 if in high school), does that mean they automatically stop, or do I need to notify SSA? Also, if my son is planning to go to college, there's no way to extend benefits for that, right? I know some other countries do this but wasn't sure about the US system.

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The benefits automatically stop when your child turns 18, but there are some important details to know. If your child is still in high school when they turn 18, benefits can continue until they graduate or turn 19 (whichever comes first). You don't need to proactively notify SSA - they track this automatically based on the birth date on file. Unfortunately, unlike some other countries, the US Social Security system does NOT extend dependent benefits for college attendance. Benefits end at 18 (or 19 if still in high school) regardless of whether the child continues their education. However, there is one exception: if your child has a disability that began before age 22, they may be eligible for disabled adult child benefits that can continue indefinitely. But for typical college-bound kids, the benefits stop at 18/19. Given your son's medical expenses, you might want to factor in how those costs will be covered once his SS benefits end when he turns 18.

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I've been through this exact situation! My advice is to also check if you qualify for any state assistance programs for your son's medical expenses since those benefits will stop when he turns 18. Many states have programs that can help bridge the gap between when SS benefits end and when kids might qualify for other assistance. Also, make sure to get everything in writing from SSA - don't rely on phone conversations alone. I learned this the hard way when they gave me incorrect information about my daughter's benefits and I had to fight to get them corrected later. One more thing to consider: if you're planning to work while receiving early retirement benefits, be aware of the earnings test. If you earn more than the annual limit, they'll reduce your benefits temporarily. This also affects your children's benefits.

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This is such valuable advice, thank you! I hadn't even thought about state assistance programs - that's definitely something I need to research now. The earnings test is another concern since I was hoping to do some part-time consulting work to supplement our income. Getting everything in writing makes total sense too. I've already had conflicting information from different SSA representatives, so I can see how that could become a real problem down the road. Do you happen to know what the current earnings limit is for early retirement benefits? And does that limit apply to the total family benefits or just my individual benefit?

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For 2025, the earnings limit is $23,400 annually if you're under full retirement age. The earnings test applies to YOUR individual benefit - if you earn over this limit, they reduce $1 of your benefit for every $2 you earn above the threshold. Here's the important part: when your benefit gets reduced due to the earnings test, your children's benefits are also proportionally reduced since theirs are based on your benefit amount. So if your benefit gets cut by 20% due to earnings, your kids' benefits also get cut by 20%. However, this reduction is temporary! Once you reach full retirement age, they'll recalculate your benefit and give you credit for the months when benefits were withheld due to earnings. Your benefit will be permanently increased to account for this. Unfortunately, your children won't get this "payback" since they'll likely have aged out by then. So if you're planning to do consulting work, you'll want to be very careful about staying under that $23,400 limit, or the family could see a significant reduction in total monthly income right when you need it most for medical expenses.

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Wow, this is incredibly helpful information about the earnings test! I had no idea that exceeding the limit would also reduce my children's benefits proportionally. That changes my planning significantly since we really need those benefits for my son's medical expenses. The fact that I'll get credit back later but the kids won't is particularly important to understand. It sounds like if I'm going to do any consulting work, I need to be very strategic about keeping it under $23,400 annually - maybe limiting myself to just a few small projects. Thank you for explaining this so clearly! This community has been more helpful than hours of phone calls with SSA.

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