Social Security benefits at 67 while living overseas - Will I face penalties for 11 years abroad?
I'm turning 67 this August and planning to file for my SS retirement benefits in September. The complication is that I've been living in Portugal for the last 11 years (moved here after early retirement from teaching). Will SSA penalize me for living abroad all this time? I'm a US citizen and worked in the States for about 35 years before moving overseas. I've been reading conflicting information online about whether expats get reduced benefits or face some kind of penalty for not living in the US. Some friends here say I'll get less because I've been outside the country, but others say that's not true. Also wondering if I need to apply through the US embassy here or can I just do it online? Anyone gone through this process while living outside the US? Any penalties or complications I should be aware of before applying next month?
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Sebastian Scott
Good news - there's no penalty for US citizens living abroad when collecting Social Security retirement benefits! I retired to Mexico 7 years ago and had the same concerns. As a US citizen, you're entitled to your full retirement benefits regardless of where you live. The confusion might be because some non-citizens face restrictions, and certain countries (like North Korea) have payment restrictions. Portugal has no such issues. Since you're already at your Full Retirement Age (FRA) of 67, you'll get 100% of your benefit amount. You can absolutely apply online through the regular SSA website - that's what I did. The process was surprisingly smooth. Just make sure you have a way to receive direct deposits either to a US bank account or to certain foreign banks that accept direct deposits from SSA.
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Sarah Jones
•That's such a relief! Thank you! I still have my US bank account that I've been maintaining all these years, so direct deposit shouldn't be a problem. Did you have to provide any special documentation proving your citizenship or overseas residence when you applied?
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Emily Sanjay
my sister lives in England for 20 years and gets her full ss check. no penalty if ur a citizen.
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Jordan Walker
•Is that true for ALL countries though? I heard some places have agreements with the US and others don't. I've been thinking about moving to Thailand next year when I retire and worried about my SS benefits getting reduced.
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Natalie Adams
Actually you MIGHT face some penalties depending on your specific situation. If you worked for a foreign employer during those 11 years, you could be subject to the Windfall Elimination Provision (WEP) which might reduce your benefits IF you earned a pension from work not covered by Social Security. Also if you're planning to receive benefits based on a spouse's record AND you receive a foreign pension, the Government Pension Offset (GPO) could affect you. Neither of these are because you lived overseas though - they're about whether you earned non-covered pensions.
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Sarah Jones
•Thanks for mentioning this! I haven't worked at all in Portugal - I've just been living off savings since I left the US. No foreign pension or anything like that. So it sounds like WEP/GPO wouldn't apply in my case, right?
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Elijah O'Reilly
The process for applying from overseas isn't as straightforward as some are suggesting. While it's true there's no penalty just for living abroad, you'll need to do one of the following: 1. Apply online IF you have a US mailing address you can use (friend or family) 2. Call the international SSA number: +1-410-965-0160 (expect VERY long wait times) 3. Contact your nearest Federal Benefits Unit - for Portugal, that's the FBU at the US Embassy in Madrid, Spain The FBU route is often fastest, but they're incredibly backlogged since COVID. I recommend starting the process at least 3-4 months before you want benefits to begin. Also, you'll need to complete periodic questionnaires to verify you're still alive and eligible. These are called "proof of life" forms and SSA sends them to overseas beneficiaries. Source: Helped my mother through this process when she moved to Germany.
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Sarah Jones
•This is really helpful information. I do have my sister's address in Connecticut that I use for US mail. So it sounds like I could use that and apply online? Those wait times for the international number sound brutal!
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Amara Torres
The REAL problem isn't the application it's the TAXATION!!!! 🤬 Even overseas the IRS will still get their pound of flesh from your SS benefits. I've been in Costa Rica 5 years and STILL have to file US taxes every year and depending on your other income sources, up to 85% of your SS benefits can be TAXABLE. The US is one of only TWO countries that taxes citizens who don't even live there anymore!!!
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Olivia Van-Cleve
•Yep, US and Eritrea, the only two countries with citizenship-based taxation. It's ridiculous. But if Social Security is your only income, you might still be under the threshold for paying taxes. Worth talking to an expat tax specialist though.
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Sarah Jones
So if I understand correctly from everyone's responses: 1) No penalty for living abroad as a US citizen, 2) I can apply online using my sister's US address, 3) I need to watch out for tax implications. Did I miss anything else important before I apply next month?
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Natalie Adams
•That sounds right. One more thing - make sure your US passport is current and unexpired. Even though you apply with your SSN, having valid proof of citizenship is important for verifying your continued eligibility for unrestricted benefits.
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Sebastian Scott
One crucial point I forgot to mention - be prepared for a potential verification interview. SSA has been increasingly conducting these for overseas applicants, especially if you've been out of the country for an extended period. Also, make sure you have proof of your current overseas address handy, as well as documentation of your US citizenship and Social Security Number. The more documentation you have ready, the smoother the process will be.
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Sarah Jones
•I have all those documents fortunately! Do they typically do these verification interviews by phone? The nearest US consulate is about 3 hours from where I live, so I'm hoping I won't need to travel there.
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Elijah O'Reilly
Actually, let me add that if you've tried calling SSA's international number and can't get through (which is extremely common), I'd recommend trying Claimyr.com. It helped me get through when helping my mom with her overseas benefits situation. They connect you directly to an SSA agent without the usual wait. They have a video demo at https://youtu.be/Z-BRbJw3puU that shows how it works. Saved me literally hours of frustration when dealing with the international benefits unit.
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Sarah Jones
•Oh that's interesting! I hadn't heard of this service. I'll check it out if I run into trouble reaching someone at SSA. The time difference between Portugal and the US makes calling during their business hours a bit tricky anyway, so anything that could streamline that process would be helpful.
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Emily Sanjay
u should also check if Portugal has a totalization agreement with US. this matters if u worked some in both countries
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Sebastian Scott
•Good point! Portugal does have a totalization agreement with the US. But since the OP mentioned they worked 35 years in the US and didn't work in Portugal, it probably won't impact their situation. But always worth checking if someone has work credits in multiple countries.
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Olivia Van-Cleve
When I helped my dad apply (he's in New Zealand), the biggest headache was the bank information. Not all foreign banks accept US Social Security direct deposits. We ended up keeping his US bank account open just for this purpose. He just transfers money from there to his NZ account monthly.
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Jordan Walker
•That's what I do too! I'm in Canada and my credit union here charges ridiculous fees for international transfers. Easier to just keep my old Chase account and pull money out with my ATM card when needed.
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Sarah Jones
Thanks everyone for your helpful advice! I feel much more prepared now. I'll keep my US bank account for direct deposits, apply online using my sister's address, and have all my documentation ready in case of a verification interview. So relieved to know there's no penalty just for living abroad! I'll be applying right after my birthday next month.
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Sebastian Scott
•Sounds like you're all set! One last tip - apply right at the beginning of the month if possible. Benefits are paid based on the previous month, so timing can affect when you receive your first payment. Good luck with your application!
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