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Will I qualify for ex-spouse survivor benefits living overseas if my deceased ex-husband worked in Social Security?

My situation is complicated and I'm not sure where to start. My ex-husband passed away last month and we were married for 18 years before divorcing 5 years ago. Neither of us ever remarried. I'm currently 55 and living back in my home country (moved back after the divorce). I only worked in the US for about 5 years since I wasn't a citizen, so I don't have enough credits for my own Social Security benefit. We have 3 children together who were all born in the US and still live there (all adults now). I understand I might be eligible for survivor benefits when I turn 60, but I have no idea how to find out what amount I might receive or how the overseas residency affects things. Calling the SSA internationally is extremely difficult with the time difference and hold times. Is there any other way to get information about potential survivor benefits when living outside the US? Any experiences with the foreign service offices or other methods to contact SSA internationally?

Based on what you've shared, you may indeed qualify for survivor benefits on your ex-husband's record. The requirements are: 1) you were married for at least 10 years (you were married 18 years - check!), 2) you haven't remarried before age 60 (you haven't - check!), and 3) you're at least age 60 (you'll need to wait 5 more years). Living overseas doesn't disqualify you, but it does complicate things. The SSA has Federal Benefits Units (FBUs) in US embassies/consulates in many countries. You should check if there's one in your country - they can provide information and help with applications. You can find the list here: https://www.ssa.gov/foreign/foreign.htm If there's no FBU in your country, you can try contacting the nearest US embassy. They might be able to help or direct you to resources.

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Thank you! I didn't know about the FBUs. I just checked and there is one in my country's capital city. That's about 3 hours from where I live but definitely doable. Do you know if I can make an appointment ahead of time? And would they be able to give me an estimate of benefit amounts or just help with the application process?

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Survivor benifits r different than regular ones. My cousin moved to Portugal and had HUGE problems getting her checks! Make sure u check if ur country has an agreement with USA for SS payments. Some countries cant get them!!!

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This is an important point. The US has agreements (called "totalization agreements") with about 30 countries that coordinate Social Security benefits. These agreements can affect payment eligibility. You can check if your country is on the list here: https://www.ssa.gov/international/agreements_overview.html Even without an agreement, many countries can still receive benefits, but there may be more restrictions. Some countries like Cuba and North Korea cannot receive payments at all.

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I went through something similar when my ex passed away (we were married 22 years). I was living in Thailand at the time. The MOST FRUSTRATING thing was trying to call SSA from overseas!!! Hours on hold only to get disconnected. I finally used a service called Claimyr to get through to an actual person at SSA - it was a lifesaver! Here's their website: claimyr.com - they have a video showing how it works: https://youtu.be/Z-BRbJw3puU Once I got through to SSA, they were actually pretty helpful about explaining my options. Since I wasn't 60 yet either, they couldn't start payments, but they could tell me approximately what I'd receive. If you're not close to an FBU, this might be your best option.

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Thank you for sharing this! I tried calling once and gave up after an hour on hold. I'll check out that service - the time difference makes calling nearly impossible otherwise. Did SSA give you a ballpark figure for benefits even though you weren't 60 yet? That's mainly what I want to know - just some idea of what to expect for planning purposes.

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Just wondering - are your kids receiving any benefits? If they're under 18 or disabled they might be getting benefits and that could help you figure out what yours might be. My sister's kids got benefits when their dad died.

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No, my children are all in their 20s now and working, so they don't receive any benefits. That's a good point though, I hadn't thought about how children's benefits might relate to what I could receive.

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I'm sorry about your ex-husband passing away. The overseas situation definitely makes things complicated. In addition to what others have mentioned, I wanted to add that the benefit amount you'll receive at 60 would be reduced because you'd be taking it before your Full Retirement Age (FRA). As a survivor, you can take benefits as early as 60, but they're reduced by approximately 28.5% from what you'd get at your FRA. To give you a rough idea, survivor benefits are generally 100% of what your ex was receiving (or would have received) if you wait until your FRA. Taking them at 60 reduces that to about 71.5%. Also, since you mentioned your citizenship status - you don't have to be a US citizen to receive survivor benefits, but there are different rules for non-citizens living abroad. If you've since become a citizen of another country, there may be additional requirements or restrictions depending on your current citizenship and residence.

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Thank you for this information. I wasn't aware of the reduction for claiming early. Do you know if it's possible to get an estimate of what the benefit amount would be before I turn 60? I'm trying to plan my finances for the next 5 years and knowing what to expect would be helpful. I am a citizen of my home country now, not a US citizen.

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Dealing with Social Security from overseas is indeed challenging. Here's my recommendation based on helping several clients in similar situations: 1. First, try to obtain your deceased ex-husband's Social Security Statement. This shows his earning history and estimated benefits. Your adult children might be able to help with this if they're in touch with his family. 2. Contact the Federal Benefits Unit serving your country. They can help you understand your potential benefits and the application process. Unlike regular SSA offices, FBUs specialize in helping Americans and eligible non-citizens abroad. 3. Prepare documentation: marriage certificate, divorce decree, his death certificate, and your birth certificate at minimum. 4. Be aware that some countries have tax treaties with the US that affect how survivor benefits are taxed, so you'll want to understand the tax implications in your country of residence. 5. At age 59½, begin the application process. Starting early gives you time to resolve any documentation issues before your eligibility at 60. And yes, you can absolutely get an estimate before turning 60. The FBU can help with this, or if you use a service to reach SSA by phone, they can provide estimates based on his earnings record.

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This is incredibly helpful - thank you! I hadn't thought about tax implications. I'm going to reach out to my ex's sister to see if she can help get information about his Social Security history. I'll also contact the FBU in my country's capital to set up an appointment. I appreciate the suggestion to start the process early - that makes a lot of sense given how complicated international paperwork can be.

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My mom went thru this exact thing! If ur not a US citizen and never became one, SSA has what they call "alien non-payment provisions" that might affect u. But since u were married to a US citizen for so long u probably qualify for exemptions. Def check with FBU like others said. Also remember SS survivor benefits can start at 60 but retirement is 62, they're different!

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That's a very good point about the alien non-payment provisions. The exemptions typically apply if you: 1) Are a resident of a country with which the US has a Social Security agreement, 2) Were eligible for benefits before leaving the US, or 3) Meet other specific exceptions. And yes - survivor benefits at 60 vs. retirement at 62 is a crucial distinction that many people miss!

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Thank you all so much for the helpful information! I feel much more equipped to move forward now. I've made a list of next steps: 1) Contact my ex's sister about his SS records, 2) Make an appointment with the FBU in my country, 3) Look into that Claimyr service if I need to call SSA directly, and 4) Research the tax treaties between my country and the US. I'll start gathering all the documentation mentioned - birth certificate, marriage certificate, divorce decree, and his death certificate. I still have 5 years before I turn 60, but I want to understand what I'll be eligible for so I can plan accordingly. I really appreciate everyone taking the time to share your knowledge and experiences.

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Good luck! Let us know what happens with the FBU. My friend tried one in Thailand and said they were super helpful, way better than trying to call the regular SS people.

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