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How does COLA affect Social Security spousal benefits with different filing ages?

I need some clarity about how COLA impacts the spousal benefit 'top-up' in different filing scenarios. My wife and I have very different PIAs, and I'm trying to optimize our strategy. Here's our situation: I'm the lower-earning spouse with a PIA of $1,250. My wife's PIA is $3,750. We're both turning 67 (our FRA) next year. If I claim at my FRA, I'd get $1,250, and my spousal top-up would be $625 (half her PIA minus my full benefit). But I'm confused about what happens with COLA in these scenarios: Scenario 1: I claim at FRA (67), but my wife delays until 70. By the time she files, let's say there's been 10% cumulative COLA, making my benefit $1,375. When she files, will my total benefit be $1,375 + $625 = $2,000? Or does the top-up also get COLA adjustments? Scenario 2: We both claim at FRA. I'd start receiving $1,875 ($1,250 + $625 top-up). After three years with the same 10% COLA, would I receive $2,062.50 (COLA on the entire amount)? Or only $1,375 + $625 = $2,000 (COLA only on my retirement benefit)? I'm wondering if there's an advantage to my wife filing just before 70 if COLA applies to the full benefit amount. Any expertise on this would be greatly appreciated!

I've dealt with this exact situation helping my parents optimize their Social Security. Here's how COLA works with spousal benefits: Scenario 1: When your wife claims at 70, your total benefit will be $2,000. The top-up amount itself doesn't get separate COLA adjustments. You'll get your PIA with COLA ($1,375) plus the original top-up amount ($625). Scenario 2: If you both claim at FRA, you'll receive $1,875 initially. After three years with 10% COLA, you'd receive $2,062.50 because COLA applies to your entire benefit payment, including the spousal portion. This is one reason why sometimes it makes sense for the higher-earning spouse to file before 70 if the lower-earning spouse would benefit from getting COLA on the combined benefit sooner. The math gets complicated though because the higher earner gives up their delayed retirement credits.

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Thank you! That makes sense. So there IS a potential advantage to my wife filing before 70 if we want to maximize the impact of COLA on my combined benefit. I'm going to run some calculations based on different inflation assumptions to see where the break-even point might be.

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I think ur missing something important. The higher earning spouse gets delayed retirement credits of 8% per year after FRA. So waiting till 70 means 24% more for life!! Thats HUGE and probably beats any COLA advantage for the lower earner. Also remember survivor benefits - if the higher earner passes away first, the surviving spouse gets the higher amount.

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You're absolutely right about the delayed retirement credits being valuable. That 24% increase for life is substantial and needs to be factored in. And the survivor benefit consideration is crucial - something many people overlook. The optimal strategy really depends on life expectancy assumptions, current cash flow needs, and other factors specific to each couple's situation.

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Social Security rules are SO confusing!!! I've been trying to figure out my own situation and keep getting different answers from the SSA reps I talk to. One told me COLA applies to everything, another said only to the base benefit. No wonder we're all confused. Has anyone actually verified this with official documentation from SSA?

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I feel your frustration with getting through to knowledgeable SSA reps! After being disconnected multiple times trying to get answers about my spouse's benefits, I finally tried Claimyr (claimyr.com) to get through to an agent. They got me connected in under 20 minutes instead of waiting for hours. There's a video showing how it works: https://youtu.be/Z-BRbJw3puU. The rep I finally spoke with confirmed that COLA does apply to your entire benefit amount, including any spousal portion, once you're receiving it.

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This is why I just took my benefits at 62!! Too much math and too many unknowns. Who knows how many years we'll even be around to collect? I'd rather have the money now than try to maximize some theoretical amount later. Just my 2 cents!!

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While taking benefits early works for some people's situations, it's important to note that claiming at 62 results in a permanent 30% reduction from your full retirement age benefit amount. For many couples, having at least the higher earner wait can significantly increase lifetime household benefits, especially if one spouse outlives the other by many years. Everyone's situation is different though!

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Wait im confused about one thing. Does the spouse with lower PIA have to file for their own benefits first before getting the spousal top-up? Or can they just file for spousal benefits only?

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For anyone born after January 1, 1954, you can no longer file for just spousal benefits. When you file, you're deemed to be filing for all benefits you're eligible for (both your own retirement and any spousal benefits). The SSA automatically gives you whichever is higher. In practice, this means the lower-earning spouse must file for their own benefits first, and then they receive the spousal top-up if it applies.

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I called the SSA office today for clarification, and after a 45-minute wait, I can confirm that COLA does apply to the entire benefit amount once you're receiving it. The representative also mentioned that the spousal benefit is recalculated at the time the higher-earning spouse files. So in my Scenario 1, my total would indeed be $2,000 ($1,375 + $625), not accounting for any potential COLA on my wife's PIA over those three years.

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Only 45 min wait?? Lucky you!! I waited 2.5 HOURS last time I called SSA and then got disconnected right when someone finally answered. The whole system is broken!!!

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It's worth noting that your specific birth dates can also affect optimal filing strategies. Since you mentioned you're both turning 67 next year, if your birthdays are several months apart, there might be some additional strategic opportunities around the specific month of filing. Also, if you have any earnings history with pensions from jobs not covered by Social Security (like some government positions), the WEP and GPO provisions might affect these calculations.

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Good point about the birth dates. We're only two months apart, so I don't think that creates much opportunity in our case. And thankfully, we don't have to worry about WEP or GPO as neither of us worked in jobs with non-covered pensions. Those provisions add a whole other layer of complexity!

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One thing to consider in your calculations is how COLA affects your wife's PIA while she's delaying from 67 to 70. If there's 10% cumulative COLA during those three years, her PIA would grow from $3,750 to $4,125. This means when she finally claims at 70, her benefit would be $5,445 ($4,125 × 1.32), not just the original $4,950 ($3,750 × 1.32). And importantly, this higher PIA also affects your spousal benefit calculation - your top-up would be based on half of her COLA-adjusted PIA. So in Scenario 1, you might actually receive more than the $2,000 you calculated, depending on how much COLA accumulates during her delay period. This is another factor that makes the timing decision quite complex!

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This is a crucial point that I completely missed in my original calculations! You're absolutely right that COLA would apply to my wife's PIA during her delay period, which would increase the spousal benefit base. So if her PIA grows to $4,125 with 10% COLA, my spousal top-up would be $2,062.50 (half of $4,125) minus my own benefit of $1,375, giving me a top-up of $687.50 instead of just $625. That would make my total benefit $2,062.50 rather than $2,000. This actually makes the case for her delaying to 70 even stronger, since both the delayed retirement credits AND the COLA-adjusted PIA would compound the benefit. Thanks for pointing out this complexity - it really shows how these calculations can get intricate quickly!

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This is an excellent discussion! I'm a benefits counselor and want to add one more consideration that often gets overlooked: the Medicare Part B premium implications. When you're receiving Social Security benefits, your Medicare Part B premiums are automatically deducted from your monthly payment. If you're in a higher income bracket due to IRMAA (Income-Related Monthly Adjustment Amount), delaying Social Security might actually help reduce your Medicare costs in future years by potentially keeping you in a lower income tier. This is especially relevant for couples with substantial retirement account balances who might be doing Roth conversions or have required minimum distributions. The interplay between Social Security timing, Medicare costs, and overall tax planning can sometimes tip the scales in favor of different filing strategies than pure Social Security optimization would suggest.

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This is such a valuable perspective that I hadn't considered! The Medicare Part B premium deduction aspect adds another layer to the decision-making process. I'm curious - for someone like me with a relatively modest PIA of $1,250, would IRMAA typically be a concern? My wife and I have some 401(k) savings but nothing that would put us in the higher income brackets. However, your point about the interplay between Social Security timing and overall tax planning is really insightful. It sounds like couples with more substantial retirement assets might need to run even more complex scenarios that factor in Medicare costs, tax implications, and Social Security optimization all together. Do you have any general rules of thumb for when these Medicare considerations become significant enough to influence Social Security filing decisions?

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Great question about IRMAA thresholds! For most people with modest PIAs like yours, IRMAA typically isn't a major concern unless you have significant other income sources. The 2024 IRMAA thresholds start at $103,000 for individuals ($206,000 for married filing jointly), so you'd need substantial retirement account distributions, pensions, or other income on top of Social Security to hit those levels. However, the Medicare considerations become more relevant in a few scenarios: 1) If you're planning large Roth conversions in your early retirement years, 2) If you have employer pensions that push your income higher, or 3) If one spouse has significantly higher lifetime earnings that weren't reflected in their PIA due to the Social Security wage cap. A good rule of thumb is that if your projected retirement income (including Social Security, pensions, and retirement account distributions) will exceed about $85,000 individually or $170,000 as a couple, it's worth running the Medicare cost calculations alongside your Social Security optimization. The premium increases can be substantial - sometimes $200-500+ per month per person in the higher tiers. For your situation specifically, I'd focus primarily on the Social Security optimization, but it's always wise to model out your total retirement income picture to make sure there aren't any surprise Medicare costs lurking!

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Thank you for breaking down the IRMAA thresholds so clearly! This really helps put things in perspective. Based on our projected retirement income, it sounds like we'll be well below those thresholds, so Medicare premium considerations probably won't be a major factor in our Social Security timing decision. It's reassuring to know we can focus primarily on optimizing the Social Security benefits themselves without worrying too much about unintended consequences on the Medicare side. I really appreciate how this discussion has evolved from my original COLA question to cover all these interconnected aspects of retirement planning - delayed retirement credits, survivor benefits, Medicare implications, and tax considerations. It's clear that what seemed like a straightforward question about cost-of-living adjustments actually touches on so many other elements of retirement strategy. This community has been incredibly helpful in thinking through all these angles!

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As someone who went through this exact decision process last year, I want to emphasize how valuable it is to model multiple COLA scenarios. We assumed different inflation rates (2%, 3%, and 4% annually) and ran the math for various filing combinations. What we discovered was that the break-even point between "wife files at FRA" vs "wife delays to 70" was much more sensitive to COLA assumptions than we initially thought. One tool that really helped us was creating a spreadsheet that calculated the cumulative lifetime benefits under different longevity assumptions. We modeled scenarios where each spouse lives to 80, 85, 90, and 95, and factored in the survivor benefit implications that others have mentioned. The results showed that even modest differences in COLA (say 2.5% vs 3.5% annually) could shift the optimal strategy by a year or more. Also, don't forget that your state tax treatment of Social Security benefits might influence the timing decision. Some states don't tax Social Security at all, while others have various thresholds. If you're in a state that taxes benefits, receiving larger amounts sooner (with COLA applied to the full benefit) might push you into higher state tax brackets. The complexity is real, but taking the time to model these scenarios thoroughly will give you much more confidence in whatever decision you make!

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This is incredibly helpful advice about modeling different scenarios! I'm definitely going to create a similar spreadsheet to run through various COLA and longevity assumptions. The point about state tax treatment is something I hadn't considered at all - we live in a state that does tax Social Security benefits, so that's another variable to factor in. It's amazing how what started as a straightforward question about COLA has revealed so many interconnected considerations. Your approach of testing multiple inflation scenarios (2%, 3%, 4%) makes a lot of sense given how uncertain future economic conditions are. I'm curious - when you ran your analysis, did you find that higher COLA assumptions generally favored earlier filing for the higher-earning spouse, or was it more dependent on the specific longevity scenarios you modeled?

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@Sophie Duck Great question! In our modeling, higher COLA assumptions actually had mixed effects depending on the specific scenario. For couples where the higher earner delays to 70, higher COLA generally favored that strategy because the delayed retirement credits compound with the inflation adjustments over time. However, we found a sweet "spot around" 3.5-4% annual COLA where having the higher earner file at 68 or 69 started to make sense, especially if the lower earner could benefit from getting COLA applied to their combined benefit for an extra year or two. The longevity assumptions were actually more decisive than COLA in most cases - if both spouses are likely to live past 85, delaying almost always won out regardless of inflation rates. But if there are health concerns or family history suggests shorter lifespans, the earlier filing with higher COLA benefits became more attractive. The state tax angle you mentioned definitely complicates things further, especially if you re'near a bracket threshold!

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This thread has been incredibly educational! As someone just starting to think about Social Security planning (I'm 58), I'm realizing there's so much more complexity than I initially understood. The interplay between COLA, delayed retirement credits, spousal benefits, Medicare premiums, and state taxes creates a web of considerations that's honestly a bit overwhelming. What strikes me most is how personalized these decisions need to be. It seems like there's no one-size-fits-all answer, and the "optimal" strategy really depends on your specific financial situation, health outlook, and risk tolerance. I'm wondering if there are any professional resources (beyond just calling SSA) that specialize in helping couples model these complex scenarios? Given all the variables discussed here - from inflation assumptions to longevity projections to tax implications - it feels like this might be worth investing in some professional guidance rather than trying to navigate it all solo. Also, for those who have gone through this process, how far in advance did you start planning? Is starting at 58 too early, or should I be getting more serious about running these calculations now?

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Starting at 58 is actually perfect timing! I wish I had begun this deep dive earlier than I did. Having nearly a decade to model different scenarios and adjust your overall retirement strategy is a huge advantage. For professional resources, I'd suggest looking into fee-only financial planners who specialize in retirement income planning - specifically those with expertise in Social Security optimization. The National Association of Personal Financial Advisors (NAPFA) has a good directory. Some planners use sophisticated software like Social Security Analyzer or Maximize My Social Security that can model all these variables simultaneously. Another resource worth considering is working with a CPA who specializes in retirement tax planning, especially given the state tax implications that came up in this discussion. They can help you understand how Social Security timing fits into your broader tax strategy. One thing that really helped me was starting with the SSA's online benefit estimator to get baseline numbers, then gradually building more complex models as I learned about all these interconnected factors. The key is not to get paralyzed by the complexity - start with the basics and layer in additional considerations over time. You have years to refine your strategy, which is a luxury many people don't give themselves!

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