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Social Security confusion: Taking benefits at 62 vs waiting - impact on future spousal benefits?

I'm turning 62 in September and getting conflicting advice about Social Security timing that's making my head spin! My first financial advisor is pushing me to claim at 62 (even though it's only 70% of my FRA benefit) and then switch to spousal benefits when my husband claims at his FRA (he's 64 now). But my second advisor insists this is a terrible idea because I'd be permanently stuck with reduced spousal benefits (apparently only 70% of the 50% I could get) even when I switch. I've spent hours on the SSA website and seem to be finding evidence supporting the second advisor - that taking early permanently reduces both my own benefit AND any future spousal benefit I might switch to. Can anyone clarify this definitively? Is there an official SSA publication that explains exactly how this works? I need to make this decision soon and these contradicting opinions are stressing me out!

Just to add one important point: If your own retirement benefit at FRA would be higher than the spousal benefit (50% of your husband's), then the timing of when you take your own benefit is the most critical factor. Based on average benefit amounts, if your career earnings were similar to your husband's, your own benefit is likely higher than what you'd get as a spouse. If you can afford to wait until at least your FRA (67), that's often the optimal choice unless you have health concerns. Claiming at 62 means a permanent 30% reduction that affects you for the rest of your life. The breakeven point is typically around age 78-80 - if you expect to live beyond that, waiting usually provides more lifetime benefits. The SSA publication that explains all this in detail is 'When to Start Receiving Retirement Benefits' (05-10147) and specifically for the spousal benefit questions, see 'Benefits For Your Spouse' (05-10035).

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Thank you for the additional insight and specific publication numbers - that's extremely helpful! I do expect my own benefit to be higher than the spousal benefit based on our work histories. I'm in good health and longevity runs in my family (my parents are both in their 90s), so it sounds like waiting is probably the better option for me. I'll download those publications right away.

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As someone who works with Social Security claims regularly, I want to emphasize that this is exactly the kind of decision where getting official SSA guidance is crucial. The rules around early filing and spousal benefits are complex, and the reduction factors can vary based on your specific birth year and exact filing dates. One key point that hasn't been fully addressed: if you're considering the spousal benefit route, remember that your husband must actually file for his benefits before you can claim spousal benefits. So the timing becomes a coordination between both of your filing decisions, not just yours alone. I'd strongly recommend using the SSA's online retirement estimator tool at ssa.gov/benefits/retirement/estimator.html - it will show you personalized projections based on your actual earnings record. You can model different claiming scenarios to see the dollar impact over time. Also, don't forget that if you're still working, the earnings test might reduce your benefits if you claim before your FRA and earn above certain thresholds ($22,320 for 2024). This is another factor that could influence your optimal timing. Given the complexity and the long-term financial impact, consider getting a second opinion from a fee-only financial planner who specializes in Social Security optimization, not just general financial advice.

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Social Security earnings limit for joint tax filers - will my spouse's income count against my $23,400 limit?

I'm planning to retire next year (2025) at 63, but my wife will continue working full-time. I know there's a $23,400 earnings limit before they start reducing my Social Security benefits if I'm under FRA. But here's what I can't figure out - how does this work with a joint tax return? Does my wife's income count toward that $23,400 limit? Would they deduct $1 from my benefits for every $2 we earn as a couple over that amount? I'm worried we'll end up losing a big chunk of my SS checks if her income counts against my limit. Anyone dealt with this before?

One more important point that hasn't been mentioned: Even if you do exceed your individual earnings limit, the $1 for every $2 reduction isn't as bad as it sounds. Here's why: 1. If you earn $25,400 (which is $2,000 over the $23,400 limit), they would only withhold $1,000 for the year. 2. SSA doesn't take a little from each check - they typically withhold full months of benefits at the beginning of the year until they've satisfied the withholding amount. 3. Most importantly, these aren't permanent reductions. When you reach your Full Retirement Age, SSA will recalculate your benefit and give you credit for the months they withheld, which increases your monthly payment going forward.

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That's really helpful to know. So if I do go over a bit, it's not the end of the world. I might lose a couple months of payments but eventually get compensated through a higher monthly benefit. That makes the whole system seem more reasonable.

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Just wanted to add one more reassurance for you - I went through this exact situation when I retired at 62 in 2021. My husband continued working and earning over $100K, and it had zero impact on my Social Security benefits. The earnings test is truly individual-only. One tip though: keep good records of YOUR earnings throughout the year. SSA uses estimated earnings when they set up your benefits, but they do an annual reconciliation. If you earn less than expected, you might get a refund or higher payments the following year. If you earn more, you might owe them back some benefits. But again, this is all based solely on what YOU earn, not your spouse. Good luck with your retirement planning!

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Can I get half of my husband's Social Security benefits while he keeps his full amount?

I'm in a debate with my husband about how Social Security spousal benefits work. Here's what I believe (and please tell me if I'm right so I can show him!): If my work record would give me a smaller benefit than half of his, I can choose to take the spousal benefit (half of his) instead of my own. When I do this, he still gets his FULL benefit amount, and I basically don't use my own benefit. He thinks that somehow his benefit gets reduced if I take the spousal benefit, but I'm pretty sure that's not how it works. Can someone confirm this for me? We're both turning 64 next year and trying to figure out the best strategy for maximizing our combined income.

I want to add one more technical point: When we talk about the "spousal benefit being 50% of your husband's benefit," it's actually 50% of his Primary Insurance Amount (PIA), which is the benefit he would receive at his Full Retirement Age. If your husband claimed early and took a reduced benefit, your spousal benefit is still based on 50% of his PIA, not 50% of his reduced benefit. Similarly, if he delayed and gets more than his PIA, your spousal benefit is still based on his PIA, not his increased benefit. This is a common source of confusion that might be contributing to your disagreement.

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Oh that's interesting! I didn't realize the spousal benefit is based on what he would get at full retirement age, not what he actually gets. That makes it even more complicated. We both plan to wait until our full retirement age anyway, but that's good to know.

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I work for Social Security (not giving official advice, just sharing general info) and can confirm you are 100% correct! Your husband's benefit is completely independent of what you choose to do with yours. The spousal benefit exists specifically to help couples where one spouse has a lower earnings record, and it was designed so the higher earner doesn't get penalized. Think of it this way - if claiming spousal benefits reduced the primary worker's benefit, it would actually discourage marriage and hurt families, which is the opposite of what the program is supposed to do. Your husband might be thinking of some other program or maybe heard misinformation somewhere, but for regular Social Security retirement benefits, his payment stays exactly the same whether you claim on your own record or his. Show him Publication 05-10084 "What Every Woman Should Know About Social Security" - it explains this clearly on page 7. Good luck convincing him! Sometimes it takes seeing it in writing from multiple sources.

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Confused about survivor benefits - does surviving spouse get deceased's FRA amount or age 70 increased benefit?

My husband and I have been planning our retirement and recently started discussing what happens down the road with survivor benefits. He's earned significantly more than me throughout our careers, and I'm trying to understand exactly what I'd receive if he passes away first. If my husband waits until age 70 to claim his Social Security (getting those delayed retirement credits), and then passes away, would I receive that higher age-70 amount as a survivor? Or would I only get what his benefit would have been at his full retirement age (which is 67 for him)? I'm 63 now and he's 65. My FRA benefit would be around $1,800 while his would be closer to $3,100 at his FRA, but over $3,900 if he waits until 70. I've heard conflicting information from friends - some say I'd get his actual benefit amount at death and others say I'd only get his FRA amount regardless of when he claimed. Can someone please clarify this? It makes a huge difference in our planning. Thanks!

My brother works at SSA and he always tells people to max out the higher earner's benefit by waiting till 70 exactly for this reason!!! The survivor benefit includes all those delayed retirement credits. Its like getting insurance for the lower earning spouse. Smart that ur thinking about this now!!

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Your brother is giving good advice. Financial planners often call this the "free insurance policy" aspect of Social Security. By having the higher earner delay until 70, they're essentially buying a higher survivor benefit for their spouse at no additional cost. The mathematical breakeven point for delaying benefits can be debated, but the survivor benefit aspect often tips the scales heavily in favor of the higher earner delaying as long as possible - especially with the significant earnings difference the original poster mentioned.

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Thank you all for the helpful responses! This clarifies things a lot. It sounds like the best strategy is definitely for my husband to delay until 70 to maximize what I might receive as a survivor benefit later on. I'm also going to look into that service that was mentioned for when the time comes to actually deal with SSA. The stories about the difficulties getting through to them and getting the correct benefit calculated are concerning. One last question - does anyone know if there's a good way to estimate exactly what the survivor benefit would be? Is there a calculation tool on the SSA website I could use?

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The SSA has a survivor benefits calculator here: https://www.ssa.gov/benefits/survivors/survivorchartred.html However, for your specific situation (estimating a future benefit based on your husband delaying until 70), your best bet is to create a my Social Security account online if you haven't already. Once there, you can see your earnings record and benefit estimates. Your husband should do the same. His age 70 benefit estimate shown in his account would be approximately what you'd receive as a survivor benefit if you're at or past your FRA when you claim it. The calculator will also show what he'd receive at different claiming ages, including the higher amount at age 70.

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That's really helpful, thanks! I actually already have a my Social Security account but hadn't thought to look at his benefit estimates to calculate what my survivor benefit might be. That makes perfect sense - his age 70 amount would essentially become my survivor benefit amount (assuming I'm at FRA when I claim). It's amazing how much planning goes into maximizing Social Security benefits. I feel much more confident about our strategy now. Really appreciate everyone taking the time to explain all of this!

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Social Security family maximum with 2 minor children - how are children's benefit amounts calculated?

I'm trying to figure out how Social Security benefits work for my family. I'm 62 and planning to file for my retirement benefits next year. I have two kids (ages 9 and 11) who I understand can receive dependent benefits until they turn 18. My estimated monthly benefit is around $2,450. I've been reading about the "family maximum" that limits total benefits, but I'm confused about how my children's benefits would be calculated. The SSA website says children can get "up to 50%" of my benefit amount, but what does "up to" actually mean? Would each child get exactly 50% of my amount, or is it calculated differently because of the family maximum? Also, if there is a family maximum, how do they decide how much each child gets? Is it split equally? Would we all get reduced amounts? I'm trying to budget for next year and need to understand how much we'll actually receive as a family. Thanks for any help!

Welcome to the community! I'm also relatively new here but have found this thread incredibly valuable. Your remarriage question is really important - from my understanding, your children's benefits should continue unaffected since they're based on your work record, not your new spouse's. The family maximum calculation stays the same too. However, one thing to watch out for is if your new spouse adopts your children or if you adopt their children - that could potentially change how benefits are calculated since it might affect who's eligible under which parent's record. But for straightforward remarriage where the kids remain your biological children and aren't adopted by the new spouse, their benefits should continue as normal. I'd echo the advice about using Claimyr to get through to SSA - it really does work! When you call, definitely ask about remarriage scenarios specific to your situation. They can walk through exactly how it would work with your actual numbers. This community has been such a lifesaver for understanding these complex rules. The SSA website is so confusing, but hearing real experiences from people like Connor who got actual numbers makes everything much clearer. Good luck with your planning!

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Hi everyone! I'm new to this community and just wanted to say thank you for such an incredibly helpful discussion. As someone who's been completely overwhelmed trying to understand Social Security family benefits, reading through all these real experiences has been a game-changer. I'm particularly grateful for Connor sharing his actual numbers at the end - seeing that his family maximum calculation worked out favorably really helps me understand what's possible. And the point about children's benefits being based on your PIA rather than your reduced early retirement amount is something I never would have figured out from the SSA website alone. The tip about Claimyr is also incredibly valuable. Like so many others here, I've been trying to get through to SSA for weeks with no success. It's frustrating that getting basic information about your own benefits is this difficult, but knowing there's a service that can help get you connected to a real person is such a relief. This community seems so much more helpful and practical than trying to navigate the government resources alone. Looking forward to learning more from everyone's experiences!

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Welcome to everyone who's new to the community! This thread has been incredibly helpful - it's exactly why I love this forum. Getting real-world examples like Connor's actual SSA numbers is so much more valuable than trying to decipher the generic information on government websites. I wanted to add one more piece of information that might be helpful for those planning their filing strategy: don't forget about the earnings test if you're filing for early retirement but still working. If you earn over the annual limit (around $22,320 in 2024), they'll reduce your benefits by $1 for every $2 you earn above the limit. This doesn't affect the children's benefits directly, but it can impact your own benefit amount. Also, for those asking about getting through to SSA - I second the recommendations about Claimyr, but another tip is to call right when they open at 7 AM local time. I've had better luck getting through during the first hour they're open rather than later in the day. The discussion about early filing potentially making sense with multiple young children is really eye-opening. It's one of those situations where the conventional wisdom about waiting until FRA might not apply when you factor in the family benefits timeline. Great point about having the money when you need it most for school expenses and activities!

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Great question about the earnings test! Yes, even if your own benefit gets reduced due to the earnings test, your children's benefits would still be calculated based on your full PIA, not your reduced payment amount. The family maximum calculation also stays the same - it's based on your PIA, not what you actually receive after earnings test reductions. So in practical terms, if you're earning over the limit and your $1,876 benefit gets reduced to say $1,200 due to the earnings test, your kids would still each be eligible for $1,340 (50% of your $2,680 PIA), and the family maximum would still be calculated from that same PIA. This is actually another advantage of the Social Security system's design - temporary reductions to your benefit don't penalize your dependents. The earnings test reduction is also "paid back" to you once you reach FRA through higher monthly payments, but that's a whole other topic! I'm also new here and have learned so much from this discussion. Connor's real-world example really made everything click for me.

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Great question about the earnings test! Yes, even if your own benefit gets reduced due to the earnings test, your children's benefits remain based on your full PIA. The family maximum calculation doesn't change either - it's still based on your PIA, not your reduced payment amount. So in your scenario, if the earnings test reduces your personal benefit to say $500/month, but your PIA is $2,000, your kids would still be eligible for up to $1,000 each (50% of the $2,000 PIA), and the family maximum would still be calculated using that $2,000 PIA figure. The earnings test is really just a temporary reduction of your own benefit - it doesn't affect the underlying benefit calculations for dependents. Plus, any benefits withheld due to the earnings test get credited back to you once you reach full retirement age, so you're not permanently losing that money. It's another one of those Social Security rules that seems counterintuitive but actually works in families' favor! Really glad this thread exists to help clarify these complex situations.

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