Conflicting info about Social Security Child-in-Care benefits for spouse vs. child benefit - which is correct?
I'm completely baffled about Child-in-Care (CIC) benefits and need some clarity. Here's my situation: I'm 74 and currently receive my retirement benefits PLUS about 60% of that amount for my minor child. Last week, several forum members told me there's an ADDITIONAL Child-in-Care benefit I should be receiving on top of what my child already gets. However, I just spoke with an SSA agent who said something completely different: the benefit my child receives IS the CIC benefit, and there's nothing additional available. Even more confusing - the agent said if I marry my child's mother, she wouldn't qualify for any special benefits while I'm alive. And if I die, she couldn't get survivor benefits until age 60, even though she'd be caring for our minor child. But my financial advisor is telling me the exact opposite! He insists that if I marry my child's mother, she'd be immediately eligible for CIC survivor benefits if I die while our child is under 16 - NO waiting until age 60. Who's right here? The SSA agent or my financial advisor? And what's the point of calling SSA again if I might just get different information? This is so frustrating!
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Aria Khan
There's definitely confusion here between child benefits and child-in-care benefits. Your CHILD is receiving a child's benefit (up to 50% of your PIA while you're alive). The child-in-care benefit is something different - it's for a SPOUSE who is caring for your child under 16. Your financial advisor is correct. If you marry your child's mother and then pass away while your child is under 16, your wife would be eligible for mother's/father's benefits (what we often call child-in-care benefits) immediately - no need to wait until 60. This is different from regular widow(er) benefits. I went through this exact situation last year. The SSA rep you spoke with is confusing two different benefits. I recommend calling back and specifically asking about "mother's benefits" or "father's benefits" as they're officially called.
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Reginald Blackwell
•Thank you so much for this explanation! I knew something wasn't adding up. So to be clear - while I'm alive, my child gets benefits, but my future wife wouldn't get anything additional, correct? It's only after I pass that she'd be eligible for these mother's benefits?
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Everett Tutum
I've worked with Social Security for 30+ years, and unfortunately, you received incorrect information from the SSA agent. Here are the FACTS: 1. Your minor child currently receives a child's benefit based on your record (up to 50% of your PIA while you're living). 2. There is NO spouse benefit called "child-in-care benefit" while you are ALIVE - the agent was correct about that part. 3. However, after you pass away, if your child is under 16, your spouse CAN receive mother's/father's benefits immediately (this is what's called child-in-care survivor benefits), regardless of her age. 4. These mother's benefits would be IN ADDITION to your child's survivor benefits (which increase to 75% of your PIA after death). The confusion is because many people use "child-in-care benefits" to refer to both the child's benefit and the caring parent's benefit. Your financial advisor is correct about the post-death scenario.
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Reginald Blackwell
•This makes MUCH more sense. So while I'm alive, nothing changes for either of us if we get married. But after I die, she gets mother's benefits without waiting until 60, and my child's benefit increases from 50% to 75% of my PIA. Does that sound right?
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Everett Tutum
•Exactly right. And there's one more important note - all benefits would be subject to the family maximum limit (usually 150-180% of your PIA), which might reduce the total amount somewhat when both your child and spouse are collecting survivors benefits. But your financial advisor is absolutely correct about your spouse's eligibility.
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Sunny Wang
OMG this is why I HATE dealing with SS!!!! The agents tell u different things every time u call!! I had same issue with my kids benefits and had to call SIX TIMES before getting right answer. each time they said something different!!! So frustrating!!!!!
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Reginald Blackwell
•It's definitely maddening. Did you eventually get it resolved? I'm wondering if I should just go to my local office instead of calling.
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Hugh Intensity
Just to add a quick point - the benefit your financial advisor is talking about is officially called "Mother's or Father's Benefits" in the SSA handbook. The term "child-in-care benefits" is informal language that causes confusion. That might be why the agent didn't understand what you were asking about.
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Effie Alexander
•Not to go off topic but it's so weird how SS uses different terms than what everyone else calls things! Makes everything so confusing. My dad's financial guy called something a "file and suspend strategy" but when we went to SS office they had no idea what we were talking about.
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Melissa Lin
Wow im dealing with this exact same situation but reverse (im the younger spouse with our child). From what ive researched if your spouse is caring for a child under 16 and you die, they can get survivors benefits at ANY age. Its confusing because theres child benefits while youre alive AND theres mother/father benefits after death. Different things! Btw getting correct info from SSA is like pulling teeth. I had to call 8 times over 3 weeks and was disconnected or transferred to nowhere almost every time. Finally used this service called Claimyr that got me through to an actual person in 20 mins (claimyr.com). They have a video showing how it works: https://youtu.be/Z-BRbJw3puU Worth it to not waste days on hold!
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Reginald Blackwell
•Really appreciate hearing from someone in a similar situation. I'll check out that service - spending hours on hold just to get incorrect information is beyond frustrating.
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Lydia Santiago
I think the confusion is based on when benefits are paid. From my understanding: - While you're alive: Your child gets benefits, but your wife wouldn't (unless she's old enough for regular spousal benefits) - After death: Both your child AND your wife would get survivor benefits if child is under 16 The SSA agent was probably only thinking about current benefits, not survivor scenarios.
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Reginald Blackwell
•That's a good point - maybe I wasn't clear enough about asking about both current and survivor scenarios. Thanks for breaking it down so clearly.
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Effie Alexander
my uncle had this same exact problem!!! the ssa people told him 3 different things. its because they dont train them good enough. he finally got it fixed when he talked to a supervisor who actually knew the rules. ask for a supervisor!!!
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Aria Khan
•This is great advice. Always ask to speak with a Technical Expert (TE) or supervisor if you get conflicting information. The front-line representatives often handle so many different scenarios that they can't be experts in all the nuances.
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Reginald Blackwell
Thank you everyone for your responses! I'm going to call SSA back tomorrow and specifically ask about "Mother's Benefits" for survivor situations. I'll also request to speak with a supervisor or technical expert as suggested. I feel much better knowing my financial advisor wasn't leading me astray - seems like he was right about the survivor benefits for my child's mother if we marry. I'll update once I get more clarification.
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Hugh Intensity
•Good plan. One more tip - if you have your financial advisor on the line during the call, sometimes that helps. They often know exactly what questions to ask to get the right information. Best of luck!
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Melissa Lin
I forgot to mention - make sure you get any information in WRITING from SSA. They have a process where they can send you an official Benefits Statement that outlines what everyone is eligible for. That way you have documentation in case there's confusion later.
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Sunny Wang
•THIS!!!! Get EVERYTHING in writing!!! I learned this the hard way when they told me one thing over phone and something else at the office. Always ask for written confirmation of whatever they tell you!!!
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