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Can my wife claim spousal SS benefits before I reach FRA in 2027? WEP impact questions

I turned 62 last month and trying to figure out our Social Security strategy. My Full Retirement Age is 67 (in 2030) with projected benefit of $4,250/month. My wife is 64 and already drawing her retirement benefit of $780/month, which is low because of Windfall Elimination Provision (WEP) from her government pension. With the recent WEP reform, her benefit should increase to about $1,500 soon. I'm confused about how spousal benefits would work for us. If I take my FRA benefit, would her total benefit be $4,250 × 0.5 = $2,125, minus her own $1,500, giving her an additional $625 as spousal? And if I die, would she get my full $4,250 as survivor benefit? Also, what if I wait until 70 to maximize my benefit? Can she still get spousal benefits before I start collecting? Or does she have to wait until I file? The SSA website is confusing me with all the exceptions and rules. Thanks for any help making sense of this!

I just went through this exact situation with my wife! Here's what you need to know: your wife CANNOT receive spousal benefits until you actually file for your own benefits. It doesn't matter if you've reached your FRA - if you're not collecting, she can't get spousal benefits. And yes, your math is correct. She would get the difference between her own benefit and half of yours. So $4,250 ÷ 2 = $2,125, minus her $1,500 = $625 additional as spousal benefit. For survivor benefits, she would indeed get your full benefit amount if you pass away, replacing her smaller benefit. The real question is whether it's worth you filing early to get her the spousal boost now, or waiting to maximize your own benefit (which also maximizes her potential survivor benefit later).

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Thanks for confirming! That makes sense. So I have to consider whether getting her that $625 extra per month now is worth reducing my own benefit by filing early. If I wait until 70, my benefit would be around $5,270 per month. That's a big difference both for me and potentially for her survivor benefit down the road.

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You should check if ur wife can file a restricted application for spousal benefits only and let her own benefit grow!! My neighbor did this and got way more $$

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That strategy (restricted application) is no longer available for anyone born after January 1, 1954. Congress eliminated it with the Bipartisan Budget Act of 2015. Based on the ages mentioned, neither the original poster nor his wife would qualify for this strategy.

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my head hurts trying to understand all these rules! good luck figuring it out! 😵

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For the most accurate calculation, you really need to create "my Social Security" accounts for both you and your wife, and use the calculators there. The WEP adjustment isn't a simple calculation, and the amount of the reduction depends on how many years of substantial earnings covered by Social Security your wife has. A common strategy for couples with a significant benefit disparity is for the higher earner to delay until 70 to maximize the eventual survivor benefit, while the lower earner claims earlier. However, this means forgoing spousal benefits until the higher earner files. One option to consider: you could file for benefits at your FRA, allowing your wife to claim spousal benefits, then immediately suspend your benefits to continue earning delayed retirement credits. This would allow your benefit to grow while your wife receives spousal benefits. This strategy is called "file and suspend" and is still available, though with different rules than before 2015.

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This is really helpful, thank you! I hadn't thought about the file and suspend strategy. I'm going to look into that option more. And you're right about checking the SSA calculators with our actual earnings history - the WEP calculation is complicated, especially with the new reform changes.

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I've been fighting with SSA for MONTHS trying to get my spousal benefits sorted out!!! They keep losing my paperwork and every time I call I sit on hold for 2+ HOURS before getting disconnected!!! It's RIDICULOUS how they treat us seniors who paid into the system our whole lives!!!

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Social Security retirement specialist here. Let me clarify a few things: 1. Spousal benefits: Your wife cannot receive spousal benefits until you file for your own retirement. The amount would be the difference between her own benefit and up to 50% of your PIA (Primary Insurance Amount). 2. WEP reform: The recent changes to WEP will help your wife, but the increase may be phased in gradually depending on her work history. Don't count on the full increase immediately. 3. Survivor benefits: If you pass away, she would receive your full benefit amount as a survivor benefit (assuming she's at her FRA when she claims it). 4. Delayed retirement: If you wait until 70, your benefit increases by approximately 8% per year beyond your FRA. This increases both your retirement benefit AND the potential survivor benefit your wife would receive. 5. File and suspend: As mentioned above, you could file at FRA then immediately suspend, which allows your benefit to grow while enabling spousal benefits. However, during suspension, no benefits are payable on your record except for divorced spouse benefits. The optimal strategy depends on your health, longevity expectations, and financial needs. A delayed benefit means a larger survivor benefit, which provides better long-term security for your wife.

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Thank you for the detailed explanation! One follow-up question: If I file and suspend at my FRA, would my wife still be able to receive the spousal benefit during the suspension period? Or does the suspension prevent her from collecting the spousal portion?

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Under the current rules (post-2015), if you suspend your benefits, all benefits payable on your work record (except for divorced spouse benefits) are also suspended. This means your wife would NOT be able to receive spousal benefits during your suspension period. The only way for her to receive spousal benefits is for you to file for retirement and NOT suspend your payments. This is an important distinction from the pre-2016 rules.

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wait so does the WEP thing mean his wife gets less money or more money? im confused

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The Windfall Elimination Provision (WEP) reduces Social Security benefits for people who worked in jobs not covered by Social Security (like some government jobs) but who also qualify for Social Security from other work. The recent WEP reform will reduce this penalty, giving his wife MORE money than she's currently getting. Her benefit is currently reduced because of WEP, but the reform will increase it.

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my brother waited till 70 to collect and then died at 72! all those years of not collecting and higher benefit gone to waste. jus something to think about

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Sorry about your brother. That's always the risk with delaying benefits. But in the original poster's case, he's considering the potential survivor benefit for his wife too. If his wife outlives him by many years, the higher survivor benefit could still make delaying worthwhile for their household overall.

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