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Can both ex-wives receive the same deceased ex-husband's full Social Security benefits?

My neighbor just told me something about Social Security survivor benefits that sounds too good to be true. Her brother died last month at age 68 (past his full retirement age). He had been married twice before - first marriage lasted 22 years, second marriage lasted 21 years. He never remarried after that. According to my neighbor, BOTH ex-wives are now receiving his full Social Security retirement amount as survivor benefits. Is that even possible? I thought only one spouse could claim on someone's record. Wouldn't the benefits be split between them? Or is this one of those rare Social Security loopholes I keep hearing about where multiple people can collect full benefits on one person's record?

Yes, this is actually possible! Both ex-spouses can receive survivor benefits based on the same worker's record if each marriage lasted at least 10 years. This isn't a loophole - it's how the survivor benefit system is designed. Each eligible ex-spouse can receive up to 100% of the deceased worker's benefit if they claim at their own full retirement age. There's no reduction or splitting of benefits between multiple eligible ex-spouses. The SSA pays each qualified person their full entitled amount.

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Wow, that's incredible! So the Social Security system is essentially paying out twice on one person's contributions? Does this apply to current spouses too? Like if he had been married at the time of death, would all THREE women get benefits?

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Wait i'm confused about this... are u sure both exes get 100%??? I thought survivor benefits were like only for current spouses or maybe 1 ex-spouse. How can the system afford to pay everyone the full amount? Doesn't seem right.

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Yes, I'm certain. Each qualified ex-spouse can receive survivor benefits based on the deceased's record, provided each marriage lasted at least 10 years and the ex-spouse hasn't remarried before age 60. There's no limit to how many ex-spouses can collect, as long as they each meet the eligibility requirements. This is specifically how the Social Security survivor benefit system was designed.

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My uncle was in this EXACT situation!!! He passed away 2 years ago and both his exes get his SS checks now. My mom (his sister) was shocked when she found out. The whole family thought it was some kind of mistake but nope - totally legit according to SS rules. Neither ex even knows about the other one getting benefits lol

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That's interesting! Was your uncle also past his Full Retirement Age when he passed? I'm curious if the amount each ex-wife receives is reduced because there are two of them claiming, or if they each get the full amount he would have received.

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Yep he was 70 when he died. And from what my mom found out they BOTH get his full benefit amount! No reduction at all. Crazy right??

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This is correct information. I'm a retired financial planner who specialized in Social Security strategies. Each eligible ex-spouse can receive full survivor benefits without affecting the other. The 10-year marriage duration requirement is key. Also, if either ex-spouse remarried before age 60, they would lose eligibility (unless that marriage also ended). If they remarried after 60, they maintain eligibility for the ex-spouse survivor benefit. If the deceased had been married at death, his current widow AND both ex-wives could potentially ALL receive full survivor benefits. This is one area where Social Security doesn't reduce benefits proportionally among multiple claimants.

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Thank you for confirming! This seems so generous compared to other aspects of Social Security. Is there anything special the ex-wives need to do to apply for these benefits? Does Social Security automatically notify them or do they have to know to apply?

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SSA doesn't automatically notify eligible ex-spouses about survivor benefits when someone dies. Each ex-spouse needs to apply on their own. They should contact Social Security directly and be prepared with marriage/divorce documents proving the 10+ year marriage duration. The sooner they apply after the death, the better, as benefits are only retroactive for up to 6 months.

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That's really helpful information. I wonder how many people miss out on these benefits simply because they don't know they're eligible after an ex-spouse dies. Especially if they've been divorced for many years and don't keep in touch.

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I had to contact SSA last month after my ex passed away (we were married 15 years) and it was IMPOSSIBLE to get through on the phone. Spent 4 days trying, waiting on hold for hours each time before getting disconnected. Finally I found this service called Claimyr (claimyr.com) that got me connected to an actual SSA agent in 20 minutes! They have a video showing how it works: https://youtu.be/Z-BRbJw3puU - totally worth it instead of wasting days trying to get through. The agent confirmed I was eligible for survivor benefits even though we'd been divorced for 12 years.

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Yes, it worked great for me! Got me through to an actual person at SSA after I'd been trying unsuccessfully for days. The agent was able to start my survivor benefits claim right away once I explained my situation.

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I worked for SSA for 32 years before retiring. This multiple ex-spouse scenario comes up fairly often. THE KEY THING TO REMEMBER is that all eligible parties receive the FULL benefit amount they're entitled to - no splitting or sharing. But each ex-spouse needs to APPLY for these benefits. We don't have a system that automatically notifies ex-spouses when a former spouse dies. Also important: if the deceased worker had dependent children under 16 or disabled, they may qualify for benefits too, which is separate from any spousal benefits.

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Thanks for sharing your expertise! One follow-up question: if one ex-spouse was already receiving spousal benefits (the 50% benefit) from the ex-husband while he was alive, does that automatically convert to the higher survivor benefit when he dies? Or is a new application needed?

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Great question. It does NOT automatically convert. The ex-spouse needs to contact SSA to convert from the 50% spousal benefit to the 100% survivor benefit. This requires a new application specifically for survivor benefits, even if they were already receiving spousal benefits. Many people don't realize this and miss out on the higher payment.

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This thread has been so educational! I've been wondering about a similar situation with my parents. My mother was my father's third wife (married 18 years before divorcing). He had two previous marriages of 12+ years each. He's 72 now with health issues, and I've been trying to understand what benefits my mother might be eligible for if something happens to him. Sounds like she would qualify for full survivor benefits despite the divorces and the existence of other ex-wives. The Social Security system is much more complex than most people realize!

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Yes, your mother would likely qualify for survivor benefits based on your father's record if they were married 10+ years, she hasn't remarried before 60, and she's at least 60 years old when applying (or 50 if disabled). The existence of other ex-wives who may also qualify doesn't affect her benefit amount at all. Each eligible ex-spouse can receive the full survivor benefit they're entitled to.

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This is fascinating! I had no idea that Social Security survivor benefits worked this way. I'm a recent widow myself (my husband passed 8 months ago) and I've been receiving his full survivor benefit. But reading this thread makes me wonder - he was married once before for about 14 years before we met. Does this mean his ex-wife could also be collecting survivor benefits on his record? We never kept in touch after the divorce, so I have no idea if she even knows he passed away. It's strange to think that Social Security might be paying out benefits to both of us without either of us knowing about the other. The system really is more generous than I expected, but also seems like it could lead to some awkward situations if people found out about each other!

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I'm sorry for your loss, Ella. Yes, it's entirely possible that your husband's ex-wife could also be receiving survivor benefits if she meets the eligibility requirements (10+ year marriage, not remarried before age 60, etc.). Social Security doesn't inform beneficiaries about other people collecting on the same record - each person's benefits are handled separately and privately. You're right that it can create some unusual situations where multiple people are receiving benefits without knowing about each other. The good news is that her potential benefits don't reduce yours in any way - you each get the full amount you're entitled to. It's actually one of the more generous aspects of the Social Security system, even if it feels a bit strange when you think about it!

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This has been such an eye-opening discussion! I'm new to understanding Social Security benefits and had always assumed that only one person could collect on someone's record at a time. The fact that multiple ex-spouses can each receive 100% of the deceased worker's benefit amount is incredible - and honestly makes me wonder how sustainable this system is financially. It seems like someone who was married multiple times for 10+ years each could potentially generate benefits for several people simultaneously. I'm curious - is there any cap on how many ex-spouses can collect, or could theoretically 5+ people all receive full benefits from one worker's record? Also, does this same principle apply to other Social Security benefits beyond survivor benefits?

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Great questions! There's actually no legal cap on how many ex-spouses can collect survivor benefits from one worker's record - theoretically, if someone had 10 marriages that each lasted 10+ years, all 10 ex-spouses could potentially receive full survivor benefits (assuming they meet all other requirements). It does seem financially unsustainable when you think about it that way, but in practice, it's relatively rare for someone to have that many long-term marriages. As for other benefits, this generous "multiple beneficiaries at full amounts" approach is pretty unique to survivor benefits. For spousal benefits while the worker is alive, there are family maximum limits that can reduce payments if too many family members are collecting. But survivor benefits operate under different rules that allow each qualified ex-spouse to receive their full entitlement without reduction.

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As someone who works in estate planning, I can confirm everything that's been shared here is accurate. One additional point worth mentioning: the timing of when ex-spouses apply can be crucial. Survivor benefits can only be paid retroactively for up to 6 months from the application date, so if there's a significant delay in applying after the death, some benefits could be permanently lost. I always advise clients to inform their ex-spouses about potential eligibility when updating their estate plans, even if the relationships are strained. It's also worth noting that remarriage rules are different for survivor benefits versus regular spousal benefits - for survivors, remarrying after age 60 doesn't disqualify you, but before 60 it does (unless that subsequent marriage also ends). The complexity of these rules means many people miss out on benefits they're entitled to simply because they don't know to apply.

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This is such valuable information, especially the point about the 6-month retroactive limit! I had no idea that timing could cause people to permanently lose benefits they're entitled to. Your suggestion about informing ex-spouses during estate planning is really thoughtful - it takes a lot of maturity to think about an ex-spouse's financial wellbeing, but it's the right thing to do. The remarriage rules are also confusing - I'm glad you clarified that remarrying after 60 doesn't disqualify someone from survivor benefits. It seems like Social Security should do more to educate people about these rules, especially since so many eligible people probably never apply simply because they don't know these benefits exist. Do you find that most of your estate planning clients are aware of these survivor benefit rules when they come to you?

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Wow, this whole discussion has blown my mind! I'm 45 and going through a divorce right now after 16 years of marriage. My husband has always been pretty secretive about his finances and Social Security stuff, but now I'm realizing I need to understand these benefits better for my own future planning. Reading about all these ex-wives getting full survivor benefits makes me feel a bit better about my financial security down the road - I had no idea I might be eligible for benefits based on his record even after we're divorced. Does anyone know if there are any good resources for understanding all the different Social Security rules? The SSA website is so confusing and full of legal jargon. I feel like I need a crash course in Social Security 101!

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I totally understand that feeling of being overwhelmed by all the Social Security rules! The SSA website can definitely be intimidating. A few resources that might help: the AARP website has really good plain-English explanations of Social Security benefits, and they have specific sections on divorce and survivor benefits. There are also some good YouTube channels that break down Social Security rules in simpler terms. Since you're going through divorce proceedings, it might also be worth asking your attorney if they can recommend a financial planner who specializes in Social Security strategies - many people don't realize that the timing of when you claim different benefits can make a huge difference in your total lifetime payout. The good news is that with a 16-year marriage, you'll definitely meet that 10-year requirement for potential future benefits on his record. Just make sure to keep good records of your marriage dates and divorce decree - you'll need those if you ever apply for benefits later!

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I'm a newcomer here and this thread has been incredibly enlightening! I had absolutely no clue that multiple ex-spouses could each receive 100% survivor benefits from the same person's Social Security record. This seems almost too generous to believe, but with so many people confirming it with real examples, I'm convinced it's true. As someone who's never been married but is thinking about it, this makes me wonder about the long-term implications. If I get married and it doesn't work out after 10+ years, at least I'd have some financial security knowing I could potentially receive survivor benefits later in life. On the flip side, it's a bit concerning to think that if I marry someone who's been married before, my future survivor benefits might be "shared" with unknown ex-spouses (even though I now understand they wouldn't actually be reduced). Social Security is definitely more complex than I ever imagined! Thanks to everyone who shared their knowledge and experiences - this is exactly the kind of practical information that should be taught in high school finance classes.

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You're absolutely right that this information should be taught in schools! I'm also relatively new to understanding these rules, and it's amazing how many financial safety nets exist that people just don't know about. Your point about the "shared" benefits is interesting - even though the amounts aren't actually reduced, it does feel a bit strange psychologically to think that multiple people could be collecting on the same record. But honestly, after reading all these examples, it seems like the Social Security system was designed this way intentionally to provide financial protection for people after long-term relationships end. Given how common divorce is, it's probably a good thing that people aren't left completely without options if their ex-spouse passes away years later. I agree this should definitely be part of basic financial literacy education!

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This has been such an educational thread! As someone who's been paying into Social Security for over 20 years but never really understood how survivor benefits work, I'm amazed by how generous this system is for ex-spouses. The fact that each qualified ex-spouse gets 100% of the deceased worker's benefit without any reduction is incredible - and honestly makes me feel better about my own situation. I was married for 13 years before divorcing 8 years ago, and I had no idea I might be eligible for survivor benefits on my ex-husband's record someday. It's reassuring to know there's that potential safety net, especially since I'm not currently remarried. I really appreciate everyone sharing their real-world experiences and expertise here - this is the kind of practical Social Security knowledge that's so hard to find anywhere else!

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I'm so glad this discussion has been helpful for you too! It's really eye-opening to learn about these benefits, especially when you've been in a long-term marriage that ended in divorce. Your 13-year marriage definitely qualifies you for potential future survivor benefits, which is such an important financial safety net to know about. I think what strikes me most about this whole conversation is how many people are discovering they have rights and protections they never knew existed. It makes me wonder how many other Social Security rules and benefits people are missing out on simply because the information isn't easily accessible or well-publicized. This community discussion has been more informative than any government pamphlet I've ever read!

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Mei Lin

As someone new to this community and Social Security planning in general, I'm absolutely stunned by what I've learned in this thread! I had always assumed that Social Security benefits were much more limited - like only one person could collect on someone's record at a time. The idea that multiple ex-spouses can each receive 100% survivor benefits simultaneously seems almost too good to be true, but with so many real examples and expert confirmation here, I'm convinced it's legitimate. This makes me realize how little most people (myself included) actually understand about the Social Security system we've been paying into our whole working lives. I'm definitely going to be doing more research into these benefits and rules - thank you all for such an enlightening discussion!

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I completely agree with you! As another newcomer to this community, I'm equally amazed by what I've learned here. Like you, I always thought Social Security was much more restrictive - the idea that the system can essentially pay out multiple times on one person's contributions is mind-blowing. What really strikes me is how this generous policy seems to be one of Social Security's best-kept secrets. I've been working and paying into the system for years, but never knew about these survivor benefit rules for ex-spouses. It makes me wonder what other important benefits exist that people simply don't know to ask about. This discussion has definitely motivated me to dig deeper into understanding my own potential Social Security benefits and rights. Thank you to everyone who shared their expertise and real-world experiences - this has been incredibly valuable!

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This entire discussion has been absolutely fascinating! As a newcomer to this community, I had no idea that Social Security survivor benefits could work this way. The fact that multiple ex-spouses can each receive 100% of a deceased worker's benefits simultaneously is incredible - and honestly something I think more people should know about. I've been divorced for 6 years after a 14-year marriage, and reading this thread makes me realize I might have future benefit options I never even considered. It's both reassuring and a bit overwhelming to discover how complex the Social Security system really is. I really appreciate everyone sharing their real-world experiences and expertise here - this is exactly the kind of practical information that's so hard to find elsewhere. Thank you for such an educational thread!

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Welcome to the community, Freya! I'm also new here and have been equally amazed by this discussion. Like you, I had no clue about these survivor benefit rules before reading this thread. It's remarkable how the Social Security system can seem so straightforward on the surface, but has all these important nuances that most people never learn about. Your 14-year marriage definitely puts you in a strong position for potential future benefits, which is great to know even if it's not something you're thinking about right now. I keep thinking about how many people probably miss out on benefits they're entitled to simply because they don't know these rules exist. This community has been such a valuable resource for learning about real-world Social Security experiences!

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As a newcomer to this community, I'm absolutely amazed by what I've learned in this thread! I had no idea that Social Security survivor benefits worked this way - the concept that multiple ex-spouses can each receive 100% of the deceased worker's benefit amount simultaneously is incredible. I always assumed benefits would be split or that only one person could claim on someone's record at a time. Reading all these real-world examples and expert explanations has been so eye-opening. It makes me realize how much I don't understand about the Social Security system I've been paying into for years. This is exactly the kind of practical, real-world information that should be more widely known but seems to be hidden in complex government regulations. Thank you to everyone who shared their knowledge and experiences - this has been incredibly educational!

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