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Can Social Security use divorce decree Nisi date instead of court date for 10-year marriage rule?

I'm freaking out about my ex-spouse benefits! My marriage ended at 9 years and 11 months when we went to court (literally 3 weeks shy of the 10-year mark). But the divorce wasn't technically final until the 90-day Nisi period ended, which pushed it past 10 years total. Will Social Security count the court date or the final Nisi date when determining if I meet the 10-year marriage requirement for ex-spouse benefits? This makes a HUGE difference for my retirement planning since I earned significantly less than my ex. Has anyone dealt with this specific situation before? The Social Security website isn't clear about which date they actually use.

The Social Security Administration uses the date the divorce became FINAL, not the date you went to court. So if your divorce wasn't legally final until after the Nisi period, and that pushed you over the 10-year mark, you should qualify for ex-spouse benefits. Make sure you have documentation showing both dates clearly. The 10-year marriage duration requirement is strictly enforced - not a day less will qualify.

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Thank you so much! That's exactly what I was hoping to hear. I still have all the court paperwork somewhere, I'll dig it out and make sure the dates are clearly documented. What a relief!

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my sister thought she hit 10 years too but SSA said no when she applied. they counted from the marriage certificate to the date the judge signed the papers, not when everything was totally done. maybe different states have different rules??

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Oh no, that's concerning. I wonder if it varies by state? I'm in Massachusetts with the 90-day Nisi period. Did your sister appeal or talk to someone higher up at SSA?

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she just gave up. too frustrating to keep fighting with them

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The OFFICIAL rule is that Social Security uses the date when the divorce became legally final according to your state law. If your state has a waiting period (Nisi period) before a divorce is considered final, then the end date of that period is what counts. I went through this EXACT situation in 2019 and qualified because my divorce wasn't final until after the waiting period, which pushed me just over 10 years. BUT—and this is important—when you apply, the claims representative might not automatically know this distinction. I had to specifically point this out and provide documentation showing both the initial court date and the final divorce date. Don't just take the word of the first person you talk to at SSA if they say you don't qualify!

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This is incredibly helpful! It sounds like I'll need to be prepared to advocate for myself when I apply. Did you have to bring specific documentation or cite specific rules when you applied?

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Yes! Bring your divorce decree that shows both dates clearly. I also printed out POMS section GN 00305.135 from the SSA operations manual (you can Google it) which specifically addresses duration of marriage for divorce benefits. Having the exact policy in hand really helped when the representative initially tried to deny my claim.

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Hate to be that person but have you actually called SSA directly to ask them? Their website never has all the details for edge cases like this.

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I've tried calling multiple times but keep getting disconnected after waiting for 1-2 hours. It's so frustrating! I was hoping someone here might have firsthand experience before I waste more time on hold.

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Thanks for the suggestion! At this point I'll try anything to get a definitive answer. I'll check out that video.

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My aunt just went thru this last year!!!!! She got denied at first cause the SSA person counted wrong but then she got a lawyer who fixed it and now she gets benefits!!! Don't give up!!!

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This is misleading. A lawyer can't "fix" your marriage duration. Either you were married for 10 years or you weren't. The issue here isn't about counting wrong but about which legal date SSA uses to determine when the marriage officially ended.

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no the lawyer proved the nisi date was the real date thats what i meant! sorry i didnt explain it right

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According to SSA's Program Operations Manual System (POMS), section GN 00305.135, "The divorce date is the date the divorce became final in accordance with State law." Different states have different rules about when a divorce is considered final. In states with a Nisi period or interlocutory decree, the marriage legally continues until that period ends. The key is understanding how your specific state law defines when a divorce is "final." In Massachusetts, for example, the divorce isn't final until the Nisi period ends. Bring documentation showing both dates and be prepared to explain this distinction when you apply. Also important: you must be currently unmarried to claim on an ex-spouse's record, and your ex must be entitled to benefits (either already collecting or eligible to collect).

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This is incredibly helpful! Yes, I'm in Massachusetts, and I've remained unmarried since the divorce. My ex is already collecting his retirement benefits. I'm turning 62 next year and trying to figure out all my options. Would it be better to apply in person at my local office rather than by phone to ensure they understand this distinction?

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Absolutely apply in person if possible. Bring certified copies of your marriage certificate, divorce decree showing both dates, and any other court documents from the divorce proceeding. In-person applications allow you to ensure all your documentation is properly scanned into their system and gives you a chance to explain your situation fully.

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dont ssi and social security retirement have different rules? maybe thats why people get different answers

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You're confusing different programs. SSI (Supplemental Security Income) is a needs-based program for disabled or elderly people with limited income and resources. Social Security retirement benefits (sometimes called OASI - Old Age and Survivors Insurance) are what we're discussing here, specifically ex-spouse benefits under retirement. The 10-year marriage duration rule applies to ex-spouse benefits under retirement, not SSI.

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Based on my experience working with Social Security cases, you're in a good position! Massachusetts absolutely recognizes the Nisi period, and SSA must use the final divorce date (after the 90-day waiting period) when determining marriage duration. This is explicitly covered in their operations manual. Here's what I'd recommend: 1) Get certified copies of all your divorce paperwork showing both the initial judgment date and the final decree date, 2) Schedule an in-person appointment at your local SSA office rather than trying to handle this over the phone, and 3) Be prepared to educate the representative about Massachusetts divorce law if needed. The fact that your ex is already collecting benefits works in your favor - no waiting for him to file. At 62, you can start collecting reduced ex-spouse benefits (around 32.5% of his full benefit amount) or wait until your full retirement age for the maximum 50%. Just remember that if you're still working, earnings limits may apply until you reach full retirement age. Don't let anyone tell you that you don't qualify without thoroughly reviewing your documentation. The Nisi period is specifically designed to give couples time to reconcile, which means the marriage legally continues during that time.

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This is exactly the kind of detailed guidance I was hoping for! Thank you so much. I feel much more confident now knowing that Massachusetts law should work in my favor. I'll definitely schedule an in-person appointment and bring all the documentation you mentioned. It's reassuring to know that someone with experience in Social Security cases thinks I have a good position. I'm planning to wait until my full retirement age anyway since I'm still working, so the earnings limits won't be an issue. Really appreciate everyone's help on this thread!

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I went through this exact situation in Connecticut, which also has a waiting period before divorce is final. Social Security definitely uses the date when your divorce became legally final according to state law, not the court appearance date. Since Massachusetts has the 90-day Nisi period and your divorce wasn't final until after that period ended (putting you over 10 years), you should absolutely qualify for ex-spouse benefits. One thing I learned is that different SSA representatives have varying levels of knowledge about state-specific divorce laws, so definitely bring documentation showing both dates clearly. I'd also suggest printing out the relevant section from the Program Operations Manual (POMS GN 00305.135) that others mentioned - it really helps to have the official policy in writing. You're smart to plan this out now before applying. The fact that your ex is already collecting makes the process smoother since there's no waiting period. Good luck with your application!

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Thank you for sharing your Connecticut experience - it's so helpful to hear from someone who went through the same situation! I'm definitely feeling more confident about my case now. I'll make sure to print out that POMS section before my appointment. It sounds like having the official policy documentation really makes a difference when dealing with representatives who might not be familiar with state-specific divorce laws. I appreciate everyone taking the time to share their experiences and knowledge!

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This is such valuable information for anyone dealing with divorce timing and Social Security benefits! I'm a benefits counselor and see this confusion regularly. The key point everyone has made is absolutely correct - SSA uses the date your divorce became FINAL under your state's law, not the initial court date. For Massachusetts specifically, the 90-day Nisi period means your marriage legally continued until that period ended. This is actually beneficial for people in your situation who are right on the edge of the 10-year requirement. One additional tip: when you apply, ask the representative to document in your file that they verified the marriage duration using the final divorce date per Massachusetts law. This creates a paper trail in case there are any questions later. Also, if you get an initial denial, don't panic - you have appeal rights, and these cases often get overturned on appeal when the proper documentation is reviewed. You're being very smart to research this thoroughly before applying. Having all your documentation ready and understanding the rules puts you in a strong position!

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