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Keisha Williams

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my freind tole me that SS benefits have a maximum amount maybe u both hit the max?

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Paolo Rizzo

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There is a maximum benefit, but it's much higher than $2,876 for someone who reached full retirement age in 2025. For someone claiming at exactly FRA this year, the maximum would be approximately $3,900. So while this is a good thought, it's not the explanation in this case.

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PixelPioneer

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After looking at all the responses, I think this is just one of those strange coincidences that can happen with the complex Social Security formula. Since multiple SSA representatives have confirmed your amounts are correct, and others here have experienced similar situations, I wouldn't worry about it. If it gives you peace of mind, you could schedule an in-person appointment at your local SSA office where they can pull up both records and show you the detailed calculations side by side. But it sounds like everything is working as intended, just with an unusual outcome!

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Yara Abboud

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Thank you all for the helpful responses! I think you're right - just a weird coincidence. I'll still try to get an in-person appointment to see the calculations side by side, but I'm feeling much better about it now. It's reassuring to hear others have experienced this too!

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Yuki Ito

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@commenter above - No, it's 5% per year. The WEP penalty is reduced by 5% for each year of substantial earnings beyond 20 years. So at 20 years, the penalty is reduced by 5%, at 21 years by 10%, and so on until at 30 years, you reach a 50% reduction, effectively eliminating the WEP penalty entirely.

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Jamal Wilson

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Thanks for clarifying! I must have been confusing it with something else.

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Ethan Taylor

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Thanks everyone for all this helpful information! I think my takeaway is that unless I can earn enough to hit the substantial earnings threshold (which would be tough with just part-time work), there's minimal benefit to working just for Social Security purposes. I'm going to try that Claimyr service to get some specific calculations from SSA about my situation. It's definitely complicated juggling the WEP reduction on my own benefits with the potential GPO reduction on survivor benefits if my spouse passes before me. Feels like I'm being penalized twice for having a government pension, but at least now I understand the mechanics better.

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AstroAdventurer

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You've got the right understanding. Just remember that even if working part-time won't help with WEP specifically, those earnings do still count toward your AIME calculation, potentially increasing your benefit slightly. Best of luck with your planning!

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GalaxyGuardian

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Yes, it absolutely works! I was able to get through to a representative in about 15 minutes instead of spending hours on hold or getting disconnected. They connected me directly to SSA and I stayed on the line the whole time. For something time-sensitive like getting a replacement 1099 for tax filing, it's definitely worth it. My aunt's replacement form arrived about 7 days after I made the call.

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Paolo Ricci

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not to get off topic but does anyone know if you need to file taxes for someone who died if they only got social security? my mom passed in october and only had SS income. do i even need to worry about the 1099?

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StarSailor}

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Update: I finally got through to someone at SSA this morning after trying for two days. They confirmed they sent the 1099-SSA in January but it may have been lost in the mail. They're sending a replacement that should arrive within 10 business days. The representative mentioned they've had numerous calls about missing 1099s this year. Thanks everyone for your help and suggestions!

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Yara Nassar

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glad u got it sorted! make sure to check ur mail carefully. those forms look like junk mail sometimes lol

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Luca Greco

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To clarify for everyone: YES, the earnings test applies to ALL Social Security benefits taken before FRA - retirement, spousal, and survivor benefits. The 2025 limit is $22,320 if you're under FRA the whole year. They withhold $1 in benefits for every $2 earned above that limit. For the original poster: Since you earned so little last year and presumably will earn a similar amount this year, this won't affect you. But the SSA needs to verify that with documentation, hence the Schedule C request. You should be able to call and explain you don't have the Schedule C yet. They may accept alternative documentation or place a note on your record. And yes, once approved, you'll receive retroactive benefits to your application date.

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Nia Thompson

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thx for explaining! wish the ssa website made this clearer!

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Just out of curiosity, have you considered waiting until your FRA to claim spousal benefits? The reduction for claiming early can be substantial - up to 35% less if you claim at 62 vs. FRA. Each year you wait, the monthly amount increases. Of course, there's the trade-off of getting smaller checks sooner versus larger checks later.

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Zara Malik

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We actually did the math on this. Even with the reduction, I'd need to live past 82 for waiting to be the better financial choice in my specific situation. Plus we have some short-term expenses coming up, so the immediate income helps more than a larger amount later would. But it's definitely something everyone should calculate for their own situation!

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Ava Johnson

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Another important factor: if your wife had 30+ years of "substantial earnings" in SS-covered employment, the WEP wouldn't apply at all. With 21-29 years, there's a reduced penalty. At 15 years, she'll face a more significant reduction, but as others have mentioned, it's not the full $575 maximum WEP reduction. The SSA defines "substantial earnings" differently each year ($30,750 for 2025). Your wife should check her earnings record on MySocialSecurity to see how many qualifying years she has. Also worth noting: If her SS benefit is very low to begin with, she might actually do better filing for a spousal benefit based on your record (assuming you have one), even with the Government Pension Offset applied.

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ElectricDreamer

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I hadn't thought about the spousal benefit angle. I worked 40+ years under Social Security and my benefit will be around $3,100/month when I file at my FRA next year. Would she be able to get half of that minus the GPO reduction?

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Connor Byrne

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To answer your latest question - yes, she could potentially get a spousal benefit (up to 50% of your FRA benefit) if it's higher than her own WEP-reduced benefit. However, the GPO would reduce that spousal benefit by 2/3 of her government pension. Quick math: If your FRA benefit is $3,100, her potential spousal benefit would be $1,550. But if her government pension is $4,200, the GPO reduction would be $2,800 (2/3 of $4,200). Since $2,800 > $1,550, her spousal benefit would unfortunately be reduced to $0. This is why so many government workers with substantial pensions end up getting little to no spousal benefits. The system is designed to treat them similarly to other workers who pay fully into Social Security throughout their careers. For her own benefit, she should still run the WEP calculator on SSA.gov with her specific years of substantial earnings to get the most accurate estimate.

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ElectricDreamer

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Thanks for breaking that down - it makes sense now why she wouldn't get a spousal benefit. We'll focus on figuring out exactly how much her own benefit will be reduced by WEP. Really appreciate all the helpful information!

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