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Luca Greco

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To clarify for everyone: YES, the earnings test applies to ALL Social Security benefits taken before FRA - retirement, spousal, and survivor benefits. The 2025 limit is $22,320 if you're under FRA the whole year. They withhold $1 in benefits for every $2 earned above that limit. For the original poster: Since you earned so little last year and presumably will earn a similar amount this year, this won't affect you. But the SSA needs to verify that with documentation, hence the Schedule C request. You should be able to call and explain you don't have the Schedule C yet. They may accept alternative documentation or place a note on your record. And yes, once approved, you'll receive retroactive benefits to your application date.

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Nia Thompson

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thx for explaining! wish the ssa website made this clearer!

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Just out of curiosity, have you considered waiting until your FRA to claim spousal benefits? The reduction for claiming early can be substantial - up to 35% less if you claim at 62 vs. FRA. Each year you wait, the monthly amount increases. Of course, there's the trade-off of getting smaller checks sooner versus larger checks later.

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Zara Malik

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We actually did the math on this. Even with the reduction, I'd need to live past 82 for waiting to be the better financial choice in my specific situation. Plus we have some short-term expenses coming up, so the immediate income helps more than a larger amount later would. But it's definitely something everyone should calculate for their own situation!

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my wife filed dec 5 for jan benefits and got aproved jan 23 so like 7 weeks. but her sister filed same day and still waiting now. ssme office even. makes no sense how random it is

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It often depends on which processing center your application is routed to and individual workloads. Also, even small differences in work history can require different verification processes. For example, if one person worked exclusively for employers while another had some self-employment income, the latter typically takes longer to process.

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Nora Brooks

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Update: I finally got through to SSA today after trying at exactly 8:00am! The agent said my application had a flag because I had worked in another state for a few years and they were waiting on wage verification. She removed the flag since it had been pending too long and said my benefits should be processed within 5-7 business days. She also confirmed I'll receive backpay for January and February. Thank you all for your advice and sharing your experiences!

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Eli Wang

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Great news! Glad you got it resolved. The backpay should come as a lump sum, so that'll be a nice deposit when it hits your account!

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How did you manage to get through at 8am? I tried that for weeks with no luck. The system would just tell me they were experiencing high call volume and hang up.

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Ava Johnson

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Another important factor: if your wife had 30+ years of "substantial earnings" in SS-covered employment, the WEP wouldn't apply at all. With 21-29 years, there's a reduced penalty. At 15 years, she'll face a more significant reduction, but as others have mentioned, it's not the full $575 maximum WEP reduction. The SSA defines "substantial earnings" differently each year ($30,750 for 2025). Your wife should check her earnings record on MySocialSecurity to see how many qualifying years she has. Also worth noting: If her SS benefit is very low to begin with, she might actually do better filing for a spousal benefit based on your record (assuming you have one), even with the Government Pension Offset applied.

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I hadn't thought about the spousal benefit angle. I worked 40+ years under Social Security and my benefit will be around $3,100/month when I file at my FRA next year. Would she be able to get half of that minus the GPO reduction?

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Connor Byrne

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To answer your latest question - yes, she could potentially get a spousal benefit (up to 50% of your FRA benefit) if it's higher than her own WEP-reduced benefit. However, the GPO would reduce that spousal benefit by 2/3 of her government pension. Quick math: If your FRA benefit is $3,100, her potential spousal benefit would be $1,550. But if her government pension is $4,200, the GPO reduction would be $2,800 (2/3 of $4,200). Since $2,800 > $1,550, her spousal benefit would unfortunately be reduced to $0. This is why so many government workers with substantial pensions end up getting little to no spousal benefits. The system is designed to treat them similarly to other workers who pay fully into Social Security throughout their careers. For her own benefit, she should still run the WEP calculator on SSA.gov with her specific years of substantial earnings to get the most accurate estimate.

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Thanks for breaking that down - it makes sense now why she wouldn't get a spousal benefit. We'll focus on figuring out exactly how much her own benefit will be reduced by WEP. Really appreciate all the helpful information!

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Ethan Brown

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One thing nobody's mentioned is she should immediately report this job to SSA if she hasn't already. Not reporting work activity can lead to overpayments that she'll have to pay back later. Better to address this proactively than wait for them to find out during a review.

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Mateo Perez

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Yes, we reported the job when she started three weeks ago! I made sure we did that right away. I just wasn't sure about how they calculate the income with the retirement deduction.

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maybe she could ask the school if she can opt out of the retirement thing? some places let you do that especially for part time workers

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Carmen Ortiz

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Most public school pension systems are mandatory for all employees - it's not optional like a 401(k). It's actually a replacement for Social Security, not a supplement. This is why it's so important for the original poster to get specialized advice from SSA about non-covered employment.

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Ethan Moore

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i heard somewhere that wep and gpo might get eliminated soon has anyone else heard this?

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Aisha Ali

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There are always bills proposed to modify or eliminate WEP and GPO, but none have passed despite decades of attempts. The Social Security Fairness Act has been introduced in multiple sessions of Congress but has never been enacted. I wouldn't make planning decisions based on potential legislative changes - work with the current rules instead.

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Yuki Nakamura

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One other thing to consider - if your husband plans to keep working until next April but is reaching FRA before then, make sure he understands the earnings limit doesn't apply once he reaches FRA. My husband didn't realize this and unnecessarily delayed filing for a few months thinking he'd be penalized for his income. Just wanted to mention that in case it's relevant to your situation!

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Luca Bianchi

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That's a great point! His FRA is actually in August of next year, and he's planning to work through April, so there will be some overlap. I'll make sure he understands how the earnings limit works during those months. Thank you!

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