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Another issue nobody's mentioning - SSA would need to REHIRE many retirees temporarily just to handle this workload if it passes. Most current staff don't even understand the WEP/GPO calculations because they're so complicated!!! The institutional knowledge is walking out the door every month with retirements. When they implemented the Bipartisan Budget Act changes a few years back, it was CHAOS for months because they didn't provide enough training or staff. I can't imagine how they'd handle millions of recalculations without a MASSIVE budget increase.
To address a few points raised in this thread: 1. The 5-year phase-in is actually a responsible approach given SSA's current capacity constraints. Without it, the system might face complete gridlock. 2. The Congressional Budget Office estimates implementation would cost approximately $90-100 million in administrative expenses during the first year alone. 3. Funding challenges are significant - SSA's budget has remained relatively flat for years despite workload increases of 20%+. 4. Regarding hiring retired SSA employees - there are actually provisions allowing federal agencies to bring back annuitants in crisis situations without pension offset, which could potentially be utilized here. The fundamental issue remains that benefit policy and administrative capacity must be addressed simultaneously for effective implementation.
This whole conversation has been incredibly informative. I started out just wondering about staffing but have learned so much more about the implementation challenges. I appreciate everyone's insights! I'm going to write to my representatives today about supporting both the WEP/GPO repeal AND funding for SSA operations. No point fixing one problem while making another worse.
this reminds me I need to update my beneficiaries on my 401k... been meaning to do that since my divorce last year
One thing nobody mentioned - be careful with that financial advisor! My dad's advisor tried to get him to move money around after mom died and it turned out he was just trying to generate commissions. Make sure your advisor is a fiduciary (legally obligated to act in your best interest) and not just a salesperson. Some advisors don't understand how SS benefits work at all!
My sister went through this exact same thing! She was so worried but then when January came they only took like 10% each month which was WAYYYY better than losing a whole check at once. But yes you def have to CALL THEM and tell them what's happening. Don't just rely on their systems figuring it out correctly lol that's asking for trouble!! Good luck with it all!!
One more thing to consider - have you looked into whether an Adjustment to the Monthly Earnings Test might help in your situation? If your earnings were concentrated in those months when you had to cover for your coworker, and you don't expect to earn over the monthly limit in the remaining months of the year, you might qualify for full benefits in those later months. For example, if you earned $5,000 per month for 3 months (well over the monthly limit) but then earn under the monthly limit for the rest of the year, SSA might only withhold benefits for those 3 months rather than reducing benefits based on the annual total. This is a bit complex to navigate, but worth discussing when you call SSA. Many representatives aren't familiar with this provision, so you might need to specifically ask about the "monthly earnings test" or speak with a technical expert.
And make SURE your friend doesn't just apply online!!! The SSA website won't tell her about all her options!!! She needs to TALK to a representative directly and ask specifically about the "restricted application" strategy!!! Don't let them rush her off the phone!!!
Just a clarification: the "restricted application" strategy is only available to people born before January 2, 1954, and it allowed people to claim just spousal benefits while their own retirement benefit grew. Based on the ages mentioned, your friend's friend likely doesn't qualify for this specific strategy. But speaking with a representative is still good advice to understand all options.
Thank you all SO much for the helpful responses! I'll definitely tell my friend to apply for her benefits now and not worry about her husband's income affecting her checks. And I'll warn her about the potential tax implications too. It's such a relief to have clear answers - this has been causing so much unnecessary stress during an already difficult time.
Raúl Mora
Just to add some specifics about the potential difference in benefits: Let's say the ex-husband's Full Retirement Age (FRA) benefit on his own record would be $1,500/month, and your cousin's FRA survivor benefit would be $2,200/month. If he takes survivor benefits at 62, he'd get roughly $1,793/month (reduced from $2,200). Then at 70, he could switch to his own retirement, which would be about $1,860/month ($1,500 + 24% delayed credits). The math can get complex and depends on their exact earnings records, but the strategy of taking reduced survivor benefits now and switching to his own at 70 could mean tens of thousands of dollars more over his lifetime compared to other filing strategies. Definitely worth having him talk to SSA about the exact numbers in his case!
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AaliyahAli
•This is so helpful! I didn't realize there could be such a significant difference. When he talks to SSA, should he specifically ask for benefit estimates under different scenarios? Is there a specific form or way to request this kind of analysis?
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Henrietta Beasley
When he speaks with SSA, he should specifically request a "survivor benefit estimate based on his deceased ex-wife's record" as well as a "retirement benefit estimate on his own record with delayed credits to age 70." There's no specific form for comparing these scenarios, but a knowledgeable SSA representative should be able to provide both estimates. He should take detailed notes during the call including the representative's name and direct number if possible. Keep in mind that any survivor benefits received before FRA will be subject to the earnings test if he's still working. In 2023, benefits are reduced by $1 for every $2 earned above $21,240. Also important: make sure he specifically states he wants to file a "restricted application for survivor benefits only" - this language is key to ensuring they process it correctly.
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AaliyahAli
•Thank you so much for these specifics! I'll make sure he uses the exact phrase "restricted application for survivor benefits only" when he speaks with them. This community has been incredibly helpful - much clearer than anything we found on the SSA website!
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