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Social Security and WEP recalculation with self-employment income - how to verify SS calculated my benefits correctly?

I reached full retirement age (FRA) this year and just started collecting Social Security while still working as self-employed. My situation is complicated by the Windfall Elimination Provision (WEP) due to my teaching career. I'm confused about how/when my benefits will be recalculated to account for my ongoing self-employment income. My work history is messy: about 15 years in education with only half those years paying into Social Security. The non-SS years were early in my career when my salary was much lower (seriously, I make about 12 times more now than I did back then). The last 14+ years I've been self-employed and consistently paying into SS. My concern is that last year's self-employment income should qualify as another "substantial earnings" year, which should reduce my WEP penalty, but this income wouldn't have been available when I initially applied. When I called my local office, they said recalculations typically happen by November. Here's my real worry - I never received any detailed calculations showing how they arrived at my benefit amount. I provided all my teacher retirement records and clearly indicated which schools did/didn't contribute to SS. I know I'll eventually "wear off" the WEP reduction as I continue working, but how do I verify they're calculating everything correctly given my complicated history? Is there any way to request or view their detailed calculation process?

Update: I should have mentioned that for self-employment income specifically, there's a lag time because the SSA doesn't receive your earnings information until after you file your tax return. If you filed extensions, this could delay the AERO process. For complicated cases like yours with both WEP and ongoing self-employment, it's best to speak directly with a Technical Expert (TE) at SSA, not just a regular claims representative. When you call, specifically request to speak with a TE who specializes in WEP calculations.

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That's a great tip! I did file an extension this year, so that probably explains part of the delay. I'll specifically ask for a Technical Expert when I call.

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IMPORTANT QUESTION: Are you also subject to GPO (Government Pension Offset)? That's different from WEP and applies to spouse/survivor benefits. The combination of WEP and GPO can be really complex. Just making sure you're aware of both if they apply to your situation.

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Thankfully no - I'm not eligible for any spousal benefits so GPO doesn't apply in my case. But you're right that the combination would make things even more complicated!

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I'm surprised no one has mentioned that you should make an appointment at your local SSA office. While getting someone on the phone is difficult, in-person appointments can be scheduled online. I found it much more helpful to sit down with someone who could look at all my options. For survivor benefits, they often prefer to handle these cases in person anyway. When my sister was widowed, she tried doing everything by phone and ended up with incorrect information.

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In person is still like a 2 month wait for an appointment where I live. phones are impossible. this whole system is broken

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Thank you all for the helpful information. I think my best strategy is to take the reduced survivor benefits now since I need the additional income, and then switch to my own retirement benefit when I reach FRA. I'll try to get an appointment at the local office and also check out that Claimyr service to speak with someone sooner. I definitely want to make sure I understand exactly how much I'll receive and how my part-time work will affect things before making any decisions. This community has been so helpful!

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That sounds like a good plan. Just make sure when you talk to SSA that you specifically ask them to calculate both: 1) Your reduced survivor benefit now, and 2) Your projected retirement benefit at FRA. That way you can see the numbers side by side and confirm this strategy makes financial sense in your specific situation. Wishing you all the best during this difficult time.

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@casual_commenter - Yes, Claimyr absolutely works. My call was connected to SSA in under 15 minutes after trying for days on my own. Saved my sanity during my disability application process.

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thx ill try it. need to talk to someone about my application status and im tired of waiting

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@OP - Regarding your question about your Quebec marriage certificate being in French and English: The English portion should be sufficient for SSA purposes. However, if the certificate is predominantly in French with just some English elements, having a certified translation ready might save time. SSA may accept it as is, but they could request a translation if they have difficulty verifying details. Also, since your wife worked in a non-covered position (teacher's aide in a district not participating in Social Security), she may be subject to the Windfall Elimination Provision (WEP) or Government Pension Offset (GPO) if she receives a pension from that employment. This could affect both her own benefits and any spousal benefits. Be sure to mention this when applying.

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I didn't even consider the WEP/GPO implications! Her pension is very small (about $750/month) but we should definitely get clear on how that affects potential spousal benefits. Thank you for mentioning this - it's exactly why I'm glad I asked here before applying.

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I'm just here to say DON'T TRUST the breakeven calculators out there!!! They're all based on a bunch of assumptions that probably don't apply to YOUR specific situation! They don't account for investment returns if you took early benefits and invested them, they don't account for inflation properly, and they COMPLETELY IGNORE the emotional value of reducing your stress NOW rather than later!!! If your job is making you miserable and you have other income sources, claiming early might be the right choice FOR YOU regardless of what the math says about some theoretical future that might never happen!

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Fair point about the emotional value - that's hard to quantify. But the SSA calculators do account for cost of living adjustments. And if someone is disciplined enough to actually invest the early benefits rather than spending them, that's great, but most people don't do that in reality.

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Thank you all for the helpful responses! I've decided to set up an appointment with SSA to get exact benefit estimates for both my own record and ex-spousal benefits at different ages. I'm also going to talk with my employer about possibly reducing to part-time hours - that might be the perfect compromise to reduce stress while still maximizing my SS benefits. I appreciate all the different perspectives here. This is exactly the kind of thoughtful discussion I was hoping for when I posted my question.

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Just want to point out that SSDI conversion to survivor benefits is also important here. When a person is receiving SSDI and passes away, the survivor benefit calculation is a bit different than standard survivor benefits. The benefit is based on the SSDI payment amount, but there can be adjustments for the deceased's early claiming. Make sure the SSA rep understands your wife was on SSDI when calculating your survivor amount.

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That's a really good point that I hadn't considered. I know she had only been receiving SSDI for about 9 months before she passed. Does that affect the calculation compared to if she had been on SSDI for years?

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The length of time she received SSDI doesn't matter for the calculation. What matters is that SSA will calculate your survivor benefit based on 100% of her Primary Insurance Amount (PIA), which is the amount she would have received at her full retirement age. Since she was receiving SSDI, that's essentially what she was already getting (SSDI pays at the FRA rate regardless of age). Then that amount would be reduced based on YOUR age when YOU claim survivor benefits.

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IMPORTANT!!!! Did either of those SSA reps actually RUN THE NUMBERS for your specific situation???? Or were they just telling you general rules? Because without running your actual earnings record through their system, they might be GUESSING about which strategy is better for you!!!

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You know what, they didn't! They were speaking in generalities. Should I specifically ask them to run calculations for both scenarios when I go back? Is that something they can do?

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Yes, absolutely ask them to run the numbers for your specific case. A good Claims Specialist can show you the exact dollar amount you would receive under different claiming scenarios. Make sure they show you: 1. Survivor benefit amount if claimed now at 65 2. Your own retirement benefit if claimed now at 65 3. Your own retirement benefit at your FRA (66+8mo) Seeing these specific numbers will make the best strategy clear and give you documentation to refer to.

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