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Social Security and WEP recalculation with self-employment income - how to verify SS calculated my benefits correctly?

I reached full retirement age (FRA) this year and just started collecting Social Security while still working as self-employed. My situation is complicated by the Windfall Elimination Provision (WEP) due to my teaching career. I'm confused about how/when my benefits will be recalculated to account for my ongoing self-employment income. My work history is messy: about 15 years in education with only half those years paying into Social Security. The non-SS years were early in my career when my salary was much lower (seriously, I make about 12 times more now than I did back then). The last 14+ years I've been self-employed and consistently paying into SS. My concern is that last year's self-employment income should qualify as another "substantial earnings" year, which should reduce my WEP penalty, but this income wouldn't have been available when I initially applied. When I called my local office, they said recalculations typically happen by November. Here's my real worry - I never received any detailed calculations showing how they arrived at my benefit amount. I provided all my teacher retirement records and clearly indicated which schools did/didn't contribute to SS. I know I'll eventually "wear off" the WEP reduction as I continue working, but how do I verify they're calculating everything correctly given my complicated history? Is there any way to request or view their detailed calculation process?

Yes, you can request a detailed benefit calculation! File form SSA-7004 (Request for Social Security Statement) and specifically note that you want the detailed calculation. When you get it, look for how they counted your "substantial earnings" years for WEP purposes. For 2025, you need $32,175 in covered earnings to qualify as substantial. Also, each substantial earnings year over 20 reduces your WEP penalty by 5%. Since you're still working self-employed, make sure to file your Schedule SE tax forms promptly each year so SSA gets those earnings records.

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Thank you! I had no idea I could request the detailed calculation. Do you know how long it typically takes to get this after filing the SSA-7004? And will this show me specifically how they applied the WEP reduction to my PIA?

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they should do it automatically but i'd call anyway. my dad had similar situatin with some work not covered by SS and they messed up his WEP calculation twice!! had to keep calling

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That's exactly what I'm worried about! Did your dad eventually get it resolved? Was there anything specific he had to request or mention to get them to fix it?

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Xan Dae

The annual earnings recomputation should happen automatically, but in my experience it never hurts to follow up. I had a similar situation (though with regular employment, not self-employment) and my benefit did increase slightly after my first full year of post-retirement work.

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I'm in almost the exact same boat! FRA this year, WEP affected, and still working self-employed. I've been losing sleep over whether they're calculating everything right. Did you know that if you have 30+ years of "substantial earnings" the WEP doesn't apply at all? That's what I'm working toward. But the SSA website is SO confusing about how they calculate the reduction years.

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Yes! I'm also working toward those 30 years to eliminate WEP entirely. Right now I'm at 23 years of substantial earnings (if they counted last year correctly). What's really frustrating is not knowing for sure if they're tracking it all properly.

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The POMS section that covers this is RS 00605.360 - Recomputations for Additional Earnings After WEP Applies. You want to specifically ask for an "AERO" (Automatic Earnings Recomputation Operation) review. They run these automatically in late October/early November for earnings from the previous year. As for verifying the calculation, yes, you can request your Detailed Earnings Query (DEQY) and benefit calculation. This will show exactly which years counted as substantial earnings for WEP purposes. If you're having trouble getting this information through the normal channels, I'd recommend using Claimyr (claimyr.com) to get through to an agent quickly. They have a great video showing how it works: https://youtu.be/Z-BRbJw3puU. With your complex work history involving non-covered employment, it's especially important to verify everything's correct.

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This is incredibly helpful! I've never heard of an "AERO" review before. I'll specifically ask about that and request the DEQY. Thanks for the Claimyr recommendation - after waiting on hold for over 2 hours last time I called SSA, I'm definitely going to try this service!

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Dont trust SSA!!!! They messed up my wifes WEP calculation TWICE and we had to fight for months to fix it. Ask for EVERYTHING in writing and keep copies!!!

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Xan Dae

This is good advice regardless of the situation. I always request written explanations of any calculations or decisions.

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Wait, I'm confused about something. You said half your teaching years paid into SS and half didn't? I thought teachers either participated in Social Security OR a state pension system, not both. Can someone explain how this works? I'm approaching retirement myself and worried about WEP but don't fully understand how it applies.

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It depends on the state and sometimes even the school district. Some teachers work in multiple districts during their career - some that participate in SS and others that don't. This creates a mixed earnings record that can trigger WEP. The key is whether you earn a pension from work not covered by Social Security.

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hav u checked ur my social security account online? sometimes it shows the recalculations before they actually tell you about them

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Update: I should have mentioned that for self-employment income specifically, there's a lag time because the SSA doesn't receive your earnings information until after you file your tax return. If you filed extensions, this could delay the AERO process. For complicated cases like yours with both WEP and ongoing self-employment, it's best to speak directly with a Technical Expert (TE) at SSA, not just a regular claims representative. When you call, specifically request to speak with a TE who specializes in WEP calculations.

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That's a great tip! I did file an extension this year, so that probably explains part of the delay. I'll specifically ask for a Technical Expert when I call.

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IMPORTANT QUESTION: Are you also subject to GPO (Government Pension Offset)? That's different from WEP and applies to spouse/survivor benefits. The combination of WEP and GPO can be really complex. Just making sure you're aware of both if they apply to your situation.

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Thankfully no - I'm not eligible for any spousal benefits so GPO doesn't apply in my case. But you're right that the combination would make things even more complicated!

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