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Just to clarify some misunderstandings I'm seeing in this thread: For survivor benefits, the rules are different than for regular retirement benefits. While it's true you can apply as early as 60, the benefit reduction formula is different. Also, if you remarry after age 60, you can still collect survivor benefits from your previous spouse. As for the original poster's situation, at age 70, you would receive 100% of your deceased husband's benefit amount IF it's higher than your current retirement benefit. You should request an appointment specifically for survivor benefits and ask them to do a complete benefits calculation to determine the best option for you. One more tip: if your husband had delayed retirement credits (meaning he worked past his full retirement age), those would be factored into your survivor benefit as well.

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Wait, is that true about remarrying after 60? I thought once you remarried you lost all benefits from a previous spouse! This whole system is so confusing - they should make this information clearer on their website instead of burying it in complicated language!

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Yes, that's correct about remarriage after 60 for survivor benefits! It's different from spousal benefits (where remarriage at any age ends eligibility). For survivors, if you remarry after 60, you can still claim on your deceased spouse's record. Confusing, I know!

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Thank you everyone for all this helpful information. I've written down all these points to discuss when I call SSA. I'm going to try calling first thing tomorrow morning.

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Don't let anyone tell you there's nothing you can do about these unfair provisions! There are bills in Congress right now to reform or eliminate WEP/GPO. Contact your representatives! My mom's teacher group is fighting this tooth and nail. Public servants deserve better!

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I've been writing my congressman for years about this. The Social Security Fairness Act keeps getting introduced but never passes. Still worth fighting for though.

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Thank you all for your helpful responses! I've scheduled an in-person appointment at my local SSA office for next week and I'm gathering all my pension documentation. I've also made a list of questions based on all your advice. I'm still frustrated about the WEP/GPO reductions, but at least I understand the process better now. I'll update once I've had my appointment and let you know how it goes.

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has anyone actually received increased benefits from this GPO change yet? my mom has a teacher pension and we applied in february but her check hasnt changed

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The systems at SSA are still being updated to fully implement the GPO changes. Many people who applied early in the year are seeing delayed processing. If your mom applied in February, I recommend checking the status of her application online through her mySocialSecurity account or contacting SSA directly. Some payments may also include retroactive adjustments when they finally process.

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Update: We submitted the application yesterday and put the current date as the start date. The claims specialist said they will determine if any retroactive benefits apply based on the new law. She also confirmed that his benefit will increase gradually over the next few years as the GPO phases out, starting with 20% this year. Thank you all for your helpful advice!

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Glad it worked out! Let us know when he gets his first payment and how much it ends up being. Curious about the actual amounts with the new changes

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That's great news! You did exactly the right thing. And yes, the benefit will increase by about 20% of the original GPO reduction each year until fully phased out in 2029. Congratulations on maximizing your household's Social Security benefits!

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One more thing to keep in mind - since your wife is at full retirement age (FRA), she's eligible for the full spousal benefit of 50% of your Primary Insurance Amount (before any GPO reduction). If she's eligible for both her own retirement benefit and a spousal benefit, SSA will pay her own benefit plus the difference to equal the higher amount. Also, since she's past FRA, there's no penalty for either of you working while collecting benefits. The earnings test doesn't apply after FRA. Bring to your appointment: 1. Photo ID for both of you 2. Social Security cards 3. Marriage certificate 4. Pension documentation with lump sum details 5. Recent tax returns 6. Bank account information for direct deposit Good luck with your appointment!

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Thank you for the detailed checklist! I hadn't thought about bringing our marriage certificate, so that's really helpful. And it's good to know that there's no penalty for working since we both still do some part-time consulting work.

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after all ur appointments done come back and tell us what happend! lots of us dealing with same stuff and its helpful to hear real examples

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I definitely will! Our appointment is next Wednesday, so I'll try to post an update later next week with what we learned.

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My sister lost her ex last year too. She got about $450 extra a month by switching to his benefit. The way they calculate it is weird though... something about your FRA and his FRA and when you both started collecting. My sister was already 73 when she applied so it was pretty simple but I think there's reductions if you're under FRA.

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Thank you all for the helpful replies. I used the Claimyr service this morning and it worked - got through to an agent in about 15 minutes! The agent told me based on our benefit amounts I'm likely eligible for about $820 additional per month. I have an in-person appointment next Tuesday to bring in my documents and finalize everything. They also confirmed they use the application date for benefits, not the date of death, so I'm glad I didn't wait longer!

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That's excellent news! $820 extra per month is significant - that's nearly $10,000 per year. Make sure to bring original documents if possible, or certified copies. Regular photocopies usually aren't accepted for this type of application. Good luck with your appointment!

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congrats! happy it worked out for you

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