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just wondering, did your husband work for the government? my sister's husband did and she got almost nothing from spousal benefits because of something called WEP or GPO i think?

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No, he worked in the private sector his whole career, so that shouldn't affect us. But thank you for mentioning it - I've heard those government pension offset rules can really reduce benefits for some people.

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One last tip - when you do reach your FRA and apply for the spousal benefit, print out a copy of your husband's benefit verification letter showing his PIA amount, and bring your own as well. Having documentation of both benefit amounts will help ensure they calculate everything correctly. Also, if the online benefit verification letter doesn't show your exact start date, you can request your complete earnings record, which will show when benefits began. Log in to your my Social Security account, go to "Review Your Information" and then "View Earnings Record.

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Thank you for all the help! I've got my earnings record now and see exactly when I started. I'm going to make a calendar reminder for when I reach FRA so I don't forget to apply for the spousal benefit. Fingers crossed it's worth the effort!

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This is so confusing! I thought I understood how marriage duration works for Social Security but now I'm not sure. I was in a traditional opposite-sex marriage for 9 years and 10 months before divorce, and I was told I missed the 10-year cutoff for ex-spouse benefits by just 2 months. It seems unfair that some people get different rules than others, but I guess that's how the law works sometimes. In any case, OP, I hope you can get those benefits!

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The rules aren't different - all marriages follow the same 10-year duration requirement for ex-spouse benefits. The difference is only in how the start date is determined. For same-sex marriages, SSA had to clarify that they recognize these marriages from their original legal date, not from when federal recognition occurred. In your case, unfortunately, the marriage was indeed just shy of the 10-year mark.

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Thank you all so much for the helpful information! I feel much better prepared now. I'll definitely keep records of all the policy information mentioned here when I eventually apply. I'm still years away from being eligible age-wise, but it's a relief to know I'll qualify based on the marriage duration. Social Security rules are so complicated - I'm grateful for this community's knowledge!

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theres a place on the application where it asks if u applied before so u have to say yes

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Thanks for mentioning this - I was wondering about that. I'll definitely answer honestly about my previous application. I'm just hoping they'll focus more on how my condition has changed rather than just seeing the previous denial.

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Ava Kim

Has anyone here successfully gotten approved after being initially denied for MS specifically? I'm curious how long it took and what evidence made the difference. My sister's facing a similar situation with her SSDI application for MS.

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While I can't speak to MS specifically, I've seen many clients with progressive neurological conditions succeed on subsequent applications. The key differences in successful cases typically include: 1. More detailed functional assessments (not just diagnosis but specific limitations) 2. RFC forms completed by specialists (Residual Functional Capacity) 3. Evidence of failed work attempts or work accommodations that weren't sufficient 4. Documentation of cognitive impacts, not just physical limitations 5. Testimony from caregivers about assistance needed with daily activities The SSA Blue Book listing for MS (11.09) requires evidence of significant and persistent disorganization of motor function, significant fatigue, or cognitive limitations - having documentation that specifically addresses these areas is crucial.

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That's correct about survivor benefits. While a spousal benefit is 50% of the worker's benefit amount, a survivor benefit is up to 100% of what the worker was receiving (depending on when you claim it). The GPO still reduces it by 2/3 of your government pension, but since the starting amount is higher, you're more likely to receive some benefit.For example, if your husband's benefit is $2,450/month, the potential survivor benefit would be $2,450 (not $1,225 like the spousal benefit). With your $2,890 pension, the GPO reduction would be about $1,927, leaving you with roughly $523/month in survivor benefits after your husband passes.I'd recommend getting this calculation verified by SSA when the time comes, as benefit amounts will have changed by then due to COLAs.

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Thank you for explaining that so clearly. I had no idea there might be some benefits available eventually. I appreciate everyone's help in figuring this out!

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does anyone know if the survivor benefit includes the COLA increases that would have happened? like if he passes away this year but I wait 5 years to claim survivors at my FRA would I get his amount plus all the COLAs?

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Yes, survivor benefits do include COLA adjustments. If your husband passes away and you wait until your FRA to claim survivor benefits, you would receive his benefit amount plus any COLA increases that would have been applied during those years. The survivor benefit essentially steps into the shoes of the deceased's benefit, including all adjustments that would have occurred.

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Thank you all for the helpful information! I feel much more confident about my options now. I'm planning to call SSA to confirm everything directly, but having this knowledge beforehand will help me ask the right questions. It seems like taking my reduced benefit at 62 and then switching to the full survivor benefit at 67 (if needed) would be the best financial strategy in my situation. I really appreciate everyone sharing their experiences and expertise.

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