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After thinking about your situation more, one more important factor: the 4% rule for retirement withdrawals suggests you can safely withdraw about 4% of your nest egg annually. If your SS payment would be $1,200/month higher by waiting ($14,400/year), that's equivalent to having an additional $360,000 in retirement savings ($14,400 ÷ 0.04). This perspective often helps people see the true value of delayed Social Security benefits. If you had an extra $360K in your retirement account, would you be more comfortable?
everyone keeps talking bout the MATH but what about ENJOYING LIFE?? my brother waited to 70 and then got cancer at 71... all that waiting for nothin. just my 2 cents
I'm very sorry about your brother. That's definitely the fear I have too - waiting and then not getting to enjoy it for very long. It's the uncertainty that makes this such a tough decision.
This is a valid perspective that highlights the personal nature of this decision. The mathematical optimization approach assumes longevity, but life has no guarantees. Each person needs to balance the statistical likelihood of living longer (especially with family history of longevity) against the desire to enjoy benefits earlier.
Definitely try to get that 20th year if you can! And remember that WEP only applies to the retirement benefit based on your own record. If you're eligible for spousal benefits or survivor benefits based on someone else's record, those aren't affected by WEP (though they might be affected by GPO - Government Pension Offset - which is different).
@casual_commenter - No, the Social Security Statement estimates do NOT automatically factor in WEP. The statement explicitly says this in the fine print. The only way to get an accurate WEP calculation is to contact SSA directly. Online estimates don't have access to information about non-covered pensions, which is necessary to calculate WEP.
I just checked my statement again and you're right - there's a note that says the estimate doesn't account for WEP or GPO. I completely missed that before. I'll definitely work to get that 20th year of substantial earnings and then try to get an accurate calculation. Thank you all for the helpful information!
One more thing - when you do claim at 70, make sure you understand how your benefits will be taxed. Depending on your other income sources, up to 85% of your Social Security can be subject to federal income tax. Many people don't plan for this and get surprised at tax time. Your state may also tax SS benefits differently.
To answer your specific question about finding this on the website: The tool you want is called the "Retirement Estimator" which you can find here: https://www.ssa.gov/benefits/retirement/estimator.html When you log in with your my Social Security credentials, you can see estimates based on different claiming ages. There's also an option to enter custom earnings amounts for future years where you could enter zeros. If you want even more detail, you can download the "Detailed Calculator" software mentioned earlier, but for most people, the online tool provides sufficient information.
In my experience, yes, it worked great. I was skeptical too but was desperate after trying for days to reach someone. Got connected in about 15 minutes when I'd been unable to get through at all on my own.
Thanks everyone for the helpful advice! I've decided to go ahead with my phone interview as scheduled rather than postponing it. I'll make sure to mention the WEP situation during the call so it's documented, but won't expect them to process that adjustment manually. I'm a bit nervous about the overall confusion at SSA with all the WEP adjustments happening, but it sounds like delaying would just put me further back in line for the divorced spousal benefit without actually helping the WEP situation. I'll update after my February appointment if anything interesting comes up!
Giovanni Colombo
Sorry for the tangent, but does anyone know if the GPO amount ever gets recalculated if your pension amount changes? My wife will be in a similar situation with her state pension, but her system offers occasional one-time adjustments based on inflation (not annual COLAs). Would those pension increases mean recalculating the GPO reduction?
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Zoe Stavros
•Yes, if your wife's pension amount increases, SSA will recalculate the GPO reduction. GPO is always 2/3 of the current pension amount. If her pension gets a one-time adjustment for inflation, she should report it to SSA, as it will increase the GPO reduction and potentially reduce any spousal/survivor benefits she receives. Conversely, if for some reason her pension amount decreased, the GPO reduction would also decrease. SSA performs periodic checks on pension amounts, but it's best to report changes promptly to avoid potential overpayments.
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Mei Chen
I don't think anyone's mentioned this yet, but you should verify whether your teacher's pension includes any cost-of-living adjustments. Some state pension systems do provide small annual increases, though they're typically capped and not as generous as Social Security's COLAs. If your pension also increases over time (even slightly), that would affect the GPO calculation and potentially delay when you'd qualify for spousal benefits.
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Andre Moreau
•Good point! I checked my pension paperwork and we do get COLAs, but they're capped at 3% and don't compound like SS COLAs do. So my pension will grow more slowly than his SS benefit, especially if he delays until 70. Hopefully the difference in growth rates means I'll still eventually qualify for some spousal benefits despite both amounts increasing.
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