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wait im confused about something... if shes born in 1964 isnt her regular FRA 67 not 66 and 8 months? why are there different FRAs for different benefits?? thats so confusing!

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Great question! There actually ARE different Full Retirement Ages for different benefit types. For people born in 1964: - Regular retirement/disability FRA: 67 - Widow/Survivor FRA: 66 and 8 months This is because Congress set different FRA rules for survivor benefits than for retirement benefits. It's confusing, but important for planning. This age difference creates the unique opportunity for someone in this situation to file a restricted application for just widow's benefits at 66+8mo while letting their own retirement benefit continue growing until 70.

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Thank you all for the amazingly helpful advice! I've made notes of everything and have a much clearer plan now: 1. Get specific benefit amounts from SSA (what my SSDI converts to at 67, projected amount at 70, and widow's benefit at 66+8mo) 2. At 66+8mo, file restricted application SPECIFICALLY for widow's benefits only if they're higher than my SSDI 3. At 70, reassess and take whichever is higher - my maximized retirement or the widow's benefit I'll use that Claimyr service to actually reach SSA since the regular phone line has been impossible. I'll update when I have more information, in case it helps someone else in a similar situation.

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My friend's situation was kinda similar and I think there was a surprise with how much she got so def have your husband ask very specific questions during his phone appt! Good luck

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Yes!! Make sure he SPECIFICALLY asks: "If I wait until FRA to file, would I receive a higher total benefit through the combination of my own benefit plus a spousal supplement?" The answers they give are often so vague unless you ask exactly the right question!

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Just to clarify one more point that sometimes confuses people: The decision about when to file is separate for each of you. You've already filed, but your husband still has options. If your husband files at 62, he gets approximately 70% of his FRA benefit (the $749). If he waits until FRA, he gets 100% of his FRA benefit (probably around $1070). If he waits until 70, he gets 132% of his FRA benefit (around $1412). The spousal benefit doesn't increase after FRA, so there's no spousal advantage to waiting beyond FRA. But his own benefit continues to grow until 70. Since his own benefit is already higher than the reduced spousal benefit, waiting longer would just increase that gap.

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This is really helpful information. We need the income now, so waiting isn't really an option for us, but it's good to understand exactly what the tradeoff is. I appreciate everyone helping me understand how this actually works!

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my mom has the same problem (shes from philippines originally) no payment yet. but my uncle got his (hes citizen) so i was thinking maybe its for immigrants only? glad to hear its not that. still nothing in her account today tho

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It's definitely not targeting immigrants. The SSA payment system doesn't filter based on citizenship once benefits are approved. It's more likely your mom and uncle are simply in different payment processing batches, and your mom's batch was affected by the technical issue while your uncle's wasn't.

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UPDATE: My payment just posted this morning! So it was about 48 hours late. Check your accounts - hopefully your husband's payment has arrived too!

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Just checked and YES! The payment came through about an hour ago! Such a relief. Thank you everyone for your help and reassurance. Now we can pay the mortgage without a late fee.

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Something else to consider - has your sister checked her own Social Security record lately??? My friend thought her benefit would be really small because of her government job, but when she actually checked her SS statement online, it was higher than she expected because of all the years she paid in. Your sister should create a my Social Security account on ssa.gov if she hasn't already!!! That way she'll know her own benefit amount before even talking to anyone.

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Excellent suggestion. Creating a my Social Security account at ssa.gov is essential for anyone approaching retirement age. The benefit estimates shown there will help your sister make a more informed decision. However, one caution - the online estimates don't always correctly account for things like WEP/GPO reductions. They give a good starting point, but the final calculation should be confirmed with an SSA representative who can properly apply any applicable reductions.

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i think everyones overthinking this lol. just have her apply and see what they say. my aunt got dinged with gpo and still got like $400 a month from my uncles record. anything is better than nothing right?

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It's not overthinking when we're talking about THOUSANDS of dollars in potential benefits!!! Getting the right strategy can literally mean the difference between getting benefits or nothing at all. But I agree she should definitely apply either way!!!

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A lot of misinformation in this thread. The spousal benefit isn't always 50%. That's just the maximum. The actual formula is more complicated and takes into account whether you're eligible for your own retirement benefit, when you file, and whether the WEP/GPO rules apply. Calling SSA directly is your best bet. Ask them for a breakdown of your benefit calculation. They can tell you exactly how your benefit was determined and whether there are any options to increase it. You might need to speak with a technical benefits advisor though, not just the first person who answers the phone.

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Yeah good luck getting through to a 'technical benefits advisor' lol. Last time I called they put me on hold for 40 mins then transferred me to someone who had no idea what I was talking about!

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One more thing to consider - if your husband passes away, you would become eligible for survivor benefits, which can be up to 100% of what he was receiving (depending on your age when you claim them). So while your current spousal benefit might seem low, the survivor benefit would be significantly higher. If your husband is in good health, you might want to discuss having him delay taking his own benefits as long as possible (up to age 70) to maximize the eventual survivor benefit you'd receive if he passes before you. Each year he delays past his FRA increases his benefit by 8%, which also increases the survivor benefit you'd eventually receive.

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That's actually very helpful information about survivor benefits. He's already collecting, but knowing that I could get up to 100% of his benefit as a survivor benefit gives me some peace of mind for the future. It's frustrating how complicated all these rules are - I wish the SSA made this clearer when we were deciding when to file.

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