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Another important consideration: If either of your potential spouses is receiving any needs-based benefits like SSI or Medicaid, marriage could affect those benefits since household income is considered. Also, be aware that marriage might impact other financial arrangements like pensions with survivor benefits that may already name other beneficiaries. At 84, I would strongly recommend making an appointment with SSA to discuss your specific situation rather than making decisions based solely on general forum advice. Your earnings record, exact benefit amount, and other factors will determine the exact financial impact.

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You're absolutely right. I'll schedule an appointment with SSA to get advice specific to my situation. There are clearly more factors to consider than I initially realized. Thank you all for your helpful input!

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MY NEIGHBOR JUST DID THIS!!!! She married her friend and got his benefits when he died but she had to fight with SSA for MONTHS because they said it was a "marriage of convenience" or something like that. They investigated her!!! Be careful what you say to them about why you're getting married!!

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This is important to clarify. SSA doesn't technically have a "marriage of convenience" policy that would disqualify someone from benefits. If the marriage is legal, it generally counts for Social Security purposes regardless of the reasons for marrying. The 9-month duration requirement for survivor benefits is primarily what they'll check. However, if fraud is suspected (marriage solely for benefits with no intent to live as spouses), that could potentially be investigated, though it's relatively rare in cases like this.

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make sure u have all ur documents!!! birth certificate, marriage license, divorce papers, death certificate for ex, etc. i forgot my divorce decree and had to reschedule my whole appointment and wait another 6 weeks!!

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Oh that's a great reminder! I'll definitely make a checklist of all the documents I need to bring. Did they require original documents or were copies acceptable?

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they wanted originals of everything! and u might need proof u were married 10+ years for ex-spouse benefits. bring as much as u can

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One other important thing to know - when you're receiving survivor benefits from 67-70, you can still work without any earnings limit penalties. The earnings test doesn't apply after you reach your full retirement age. So if you want to work part-time during those years, your survivor benefits won't be reduced no matter how much you earn.

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That's really good to know! I was planning to do some consulting work in retirement, so it's nice to hear I won't be penalized for that income while on survivor benefits.

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Quick clarification on your question about your husband's early retirement affecting your survivor benefits: Since your husband claimed at 62 and passed at 65 (before his FRA), your maximum survivor benefit would be the higher of: 1. The benefit he was receiving when he died (reduced for his early claiming) 2. 82.5% of his Primary Insurance Amount (what he would've gotten at his FRA) However, this maximum amount will then be reduced by the GPO (2/3 of your government pension). And if you claim before your survivor FRA (66 and 10 months), it would be further reduced for early claiming. The claiming strategy gets quite complex with GPO involved. If your government pension is substantial, it might wipe out most or all of your survivor benefit regardless of when you claim.

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This is starting to make sense now. So even though my husband claimed early, I might still be entitled to 82.5% of what he would have received at his FRA rather than his reduced benefit. But then the GPO reduction happens after that calculation. I think this explains why one rep told me I'd only get about 1/3 of his benefit after all the reductions. I need to find out exactly what my monthly pension will be to calculate the GPO impact accurately.

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have u checked if there was a lump sum death benefit? its only $255 but its something. also did u get the check for the month he died? my FIL died on the 29th and they took back his last payment because they said he wasnt alive the whole month which seemed really unfair

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Yes, I did receive the $255 death benefit already. And you're right about them taking back the last month's payment - they explained that Social Security benefits are paid in arrears (for the previous month), so if the person doesn't live through the entire month, they take it back. It doesn't seem fair but apparently that's the rule.

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i had something like this happen but then realized it was cuz they were showing me different ages!! my estimate at 62 vs 64 vs full retirement age were all different numbers! double check which age its showing you the estimate for

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That's a good point, but I checked and I'm comparing the same age - 62 in both cases. The estimate for my full retirement age (67) also increased by about $180.

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I wanted to add that the Social Security Administration also periodically updates their actuarial assumptions and projection methodologies. This can affect how they calculate future benefits even if your earnings record hasn't changed. For 2025, they've made some technical adjustments to how they project future benefits based on current data. This is separate from COLA and affects estimates, not current payments. If you want complete certainty, you can request a detailed earnings statement by filing Form SSA-7004 (Request for Social Security Statement) or by creating/logging into your my Social Security account online to verify all your earnings are correctly recorded.

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Thanks for the additional information. I already have a my Social Security account (that's where I saw the change), but I'll double-check my earnings record to make sure everything is accurate. It sounds like this is probably just a result of their updated calculations rather than any kind of error.

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just wanna say make SURE ur actually eligible for ex-spouse survivor benefits!!! the ssa worker told me you have to have been married at least 10 yrs AND not remarried before age 60 to get them. sounds like u qualify but double check!!

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Yes, I triple-checked that part! We were married 17 years and I never remarried, so I do qualify. Thanks for pointing this out though - I'm sure other people reading might not know about these requirements.

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I want to emphasize something important that nobody has mentioned yet. When you apply, make it CRYSTAL CLEAR to SSA that you are applying ONLY for surviving divorced spouse benefits. Some SSA representatives will automatically process your application as applying for all benefits you're eligible for, which would force you to take your reduced retirement benefit now too (deemed filing). This defeats your entire strategy. Use the specific language: "I want to restrict my application to survivor benefits only." Get the representative's name and make notes of your conversation.

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This is incredibly helpful advice! I hadn't considered that filing could be misinterpreted this way. I'll be very explicit when I apply and make sure to use that exact phrasing. Thank you!

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