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One aspect you should consider is that your decision doesn't have to be all-or-nothing. Some financial planners suggest a middle-ground approach: file for benefits at FRA but suspend payments until a later date (up to age 70). This gives you flexibility - you can request retroactive benefits (up to 6 months) if your circumstances change, while still earning delayed retirement credits on future payments. Just something to consider if you're on the fence.

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That's a really interesting option I hadn't considered. Having that flexibility would be valuable in case my work situation changes or I have unexpected expenses. I'll definitely look into the voluntary suspension option. Thank you!

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Has anyone calculated exactly how long you need to live to break even if you wait from 67 to 70? I keep getting confused trying to do the math.

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The basic break-even calculation is straightforward: For a $2,850 FRA benefit, waiting until 70 means forgoing about $102,600 (36 months × $2,850) but gaining about $684 extra per month thereafter (24% of $2,850). Dividing $102,600 by $684 gives you approximately 150 months, or 12.5 years. So you'd break even around age 82.5. Every month beyond that, you're coming out ahead by delaying. This calculation doesn't account for inflation, cost-of-living adjustments, or potential investment returns, which could adjust the break-even age slightly.

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I'd like to add some important details that others haven't mentioned: 1. While your future survivor benefit won't be affected by when you take your own benefit, there are still potential advantages to delaying your own benefit if you can afford to. 2. If your husband lives a long time, your own benefit (if you delay to 70) could grow to be more valuable over time with COLA adjustments. 3. If you're still working, taking benefits before FRA could subject you to the earnings test, which temporarily reduces benefits. 4. Tax implications: Having both your own benefit and eventually a survivor benefit could push you into a higher tax bracket. The optimal strategy depends on your complete financial picture, health situations, and other income sources. You might want to consult with a financial advisor who specializes in Social Security claiming strategies.

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These are excellent points I hadn't considered. I'm still working part-time, so the earnings test could be relevant. And you're right about the long-term COLA adjustments - I hadn't factored that in. Maybe I should talk to a financial advisor before making my final decision. Thank you!

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wait i'm confused...if she takes her SS now at 65 isn't that still reduced since her FRA is probably 66 and something? my head is spinning trying to keep all these rules straight lol

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Yes, you're correct. If she takes her own retirement benefit at 65 and her FRA is 66+something (likely 66 and 6 months if she's 65 now), her benefit would be permanently reduced by approximately 8-9%. However, that reduction only applies to her own retirement benefit. When her husband passes away, her survivor benefit would still be 100% of what he was receiving (assuming she claims survivor benefits at or after her FRA). It's confusing because there are essentially two separate benefit calculations happening at different times.

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my mom got dads SS when he passed but she said she had to wait til she was 60 to claim it, so theres definintely some age rules involved to

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You're right about the age rules. Surviving spouses can claim as early as age 60 (or 50 if disabled), but the benefit amount is reduced if claimed before full retirement age. At age 60, it's about 71.5% of the full survivor benefit. Only by waiting until their own full retirement age (66-67 depending on birth year) would they receive 100% of the deceased spouse's benefit.

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Thanks everyone for the helpful information! Based on what I'm understanding: 1. Yes, I would get 100% of my wife's benefit if she passes away after starting her benefits (assuming I'm at my FRA) 2. It might be worth having her delay until 70 to maximize those potential survivor benefits 3. I'll need to file paperwork with SSA and provide documentation when the time comes 4. Different rules apply if she passes before starting benefits This has been really educational and gives us some things to consider in our retirement planning. I appreciate all the responses!

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Just wondering but r u still working? Cuz that could affect survivor benefits before FRA but I think once your at FRA there's no earnings limit anymore? Someone correct me if I'm wrong about that!!

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You're correct. The earnings test no longer applies once you reach your Full Retirement Age. Before FRA, earned income above certain thresholds can reduce benefits, but after FRA you can earn unlimited amounts without any reduction to any type of Social Security benefit, including survivor benefits.

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so sorry for ur loss

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Thank you. It's been many years now, but I appreciate your kindness.

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I've been dealing with Social Security for my mom who just lost my dad. Her situation is different (she never worked) but we found out survivor benefits are only retroactive for 6 months. So definitely apply as soon as possible when the time comes. Hope your husband lives a good long life though! 💜

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That retroactive limit is so STUPID! My friend missed out on like 8 months of payments because she didn't know she needed to apply!! They should make this stuff clearer!!!

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One final clarification that might help: If you're receiving your own reduced retirement benefit now and later become eligible for survivor benefits, you have options: 1. You can continue receiving your reduced retirement benefit and wait until your FRA to apply for unreduced survivor benefits ($2,150) 2. You can apply for reduced survivor benefits now (you'd get less than $2,150) and switch from your own benefit The optimal strategy depends on the difference between your current benefit and the survivor benefit you'd receive now vs. at FRA. SSA should be able to tell you the exact amounts to help you decide which option is best when the time comes.

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This is exactly what I needed to know. I really appreciate everyone's help explaining this complicated situation. I'll probably wait until FRA to maximize the survivor benefit if that unfortunate day comes.

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