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One last thought - your sister should consider scheduling an appointment with SSA now, even though she's not eligible yet. They can provide an estimate of what her survivor benefit amount will be at different claiming ages, which will help with financial planning. Also, they can explain the earnings limit if she plans to continue working while receiving benefits before her full retirement age. The earnings limit is quite restrictive and can cause benefits to be withheld if she earns too much.

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That's excellent advice. I'll suggest she schedule an appointment soon to get those estimates. She's hoping to increase her work hours eventually, so understanding that earnings limit will be really important. Thanks again!

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I'm so sorry for your family's loss. This is such valuable information being shared here. I wanted to add that your sister might also want to check if her late husband had any life insurance through his employer or if there are any union benefits she might be entitled to. These aren't Social Security benefits, but they could provide some immediate financial relief while she waits until age 60 for survivor benefits. Also, if he was a veteran, there may be VA survivor benefits available that have different eligibility requirements than Social Security. It's worth checking all possible sources of support during this incredibly difficult time.

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That's really thoughtful advice about checking other potential benefits beyond Social Security. I hadn't even thought about employer life insurance or union benefits - I'll definitely have her look into those. He wasn't a veteran, but the employer angle is worth exploring since he worked for the same company for over 20 years. Thank you for thinking of additional resources that might help bridge the gap until she can claim survivor benefits at 60.

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i think im the only 1 that actually filed early n was happy with it lol. i took mine 3 months b4 FRA and just stopped working completely. got a smaller check but started enjoying retirement sooner. no regrets!! sometimes the $$ isnt everything, time is valuable 2!

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I appreciate that perspective too! Quality of life definitely matters. In my case though, I want to work those extra months anyway, so it seems waiting makes more sense given all the complications with the earnings test.

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As someone who went through a similar decision last year, I'd strongly recommend waiting until May. I initially considered filing early while still working, but after running the numbers and talking to SSA, it became clear that the earnings test would likely wipe out most or all of my benefits anyway. The key thing to remember is that with your income level ($5,800/month), you're significantly over the earnings limit. Not only would you face benefit withholding, but you'd also be permanently reducing your monthly payment by $139 - which as others have pointed out, adds up to a substantial amount over time. I ended up waiting until my FRA and it was definitely the right call. No hassle with earnings tests, no reduced benefits, and no confusing paperwork from SSA about overpayments. Sometimes the simpler path really is the better one!

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Great to see you got through to SSA and have an appointment scheduled! Just wanted to add a couple things that might be helpful for your meeting: 1. If you can find any old tax returns from when you were married, those might have his SSN on them (joint returns would show both). Even if you don't have them, it's not necessary since SSA confirmed they can find his record without it. 2. Since you mentioned he earned "almost triple" what you did, you're likely looking at a significant increase. At FRA, survivor benefits aren't reduced, so you should get 100% of what he was entitled to (or what he was receiving if he had already claimed). 3. Don't forget to ask about Medicare implications if you're eligible - sometimes survivor benefit changes can affect Medicare premiums. Really hoping this works out for you and provides the financial relief you need. Keep us posted after your appointment!

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This is really helpful advice! I never thought about looking for old tax returns - I might actually have some stored away in my filing cabinet from our married years. Even if they don't help with the SSN issue, they could serve as additional proof of our marriage duration and his higher earnings. Thanks for mentioning the Medicare angle too - I'm not quite 65 yet but will be soon, so that's definitely something I should ask about during my appointment.

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So glad you were able to get through and have an appointment scheduled! This is exactly the kind of situation where the SSA's ability to locate records with basic information really shines. Since you mentioned you were married for 17 years (well over the 10-year requirement) and never remarried, you're in a strong position for approval. One thing to keep in mind - since you're already receiving your own reduced benefit that you took at 62, the survivor benefit calculation will be separate. You'll essentially switch from your current benefit to the higher survivor benefit if eligible. The good news is that taking your own benefit early won't reduce the survivor benefit amount. Wishing you the best of luck at your appointment! This could be life-changing financially, and it sounds like you have all the documentation you need.

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One more important thing to note - when your husband passes away, you should not cash or deposit his final Social Security payment if it arrives after his death. That payment will need to be returned to SSA. They will then issue the correct payment based on the date of death. This is a common point of confusion that can lead to overpayment issues later.

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This is SO important!! My neighbor had to repay over $2000 because she deposited her husband's final check. The SSA does NOT mess around with overpayments and they WILL come after you for the money + interest!

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As someone who has worked with many families going through this transition, I want to emphasize a few key points that haven't been mentioned yet. First, make sure you keep detailed records of all communications with SSA - dates, names of representatives you spoke with, and case numbers. This becomes invaluable if there are any delays or discrepancies. Second, consider having multiple copies of the death certificate ready, as you'll need certified copies for various agencies and financial institutions beyond just SSA. Finally, if you have any direct deposit information that needs updating or if you want payments sent to a different account, bring that banking information with you when you apply for survivor benefits. The last thing you want to worry about during a difficult time is payment logistics. Planning these details now while you have the mental bandwidth will make the process much smoother later.

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This is incredibly helpful advice, especially about keeping detailed records! I never would have thought about needing multiple death certificates for different agencies. Your point about having banking information ready is also really smart - the last thing anyone wants during grief is to have payment delays because of missing paperwork. Thank you for sharing your professional experience with us. It's clear you've helped many families navigate this difficult process.

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This is excellent practical advice! I hadn't thought about keeping detailed records of SSA conversations, but that makes so much sense given how backed up their system seems to be right now. The point about multiple death certificates is especially helpful - I imagine you need them for banks, insurance, pensions, and who knows what else. One question: do you recommend calling ahead to find out exactly which documents SSA will need for the survivor benefits application, or is it pretty standardized? I want to make sure I have everything ready so I don't have to make multiple trips during what will already be a difficult time.

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Based on what you've shared, here's what I recommend as your next steps: 1. Help your daughter create a my Social Security account at ssa.gov to check her work credits. 2. Gather comprehensive medical evidence: - Clinical records from therapists/doctors - Psychological evaluations if available - Prescription medication history - Treatment notes documenting symptoms and limitations - Any hospitalizations or intensive outpatient treatment 3. Document how her conditions affect daily functioning: - Failed work attempts with specific details - Difficulties with daily activities - Social functioning limitations - Episodes of decompensation (periods when symptoms worsen) 4. Apply for both SSDI and SSI simultaneously online or by calling SSA. 5. Consider getting a disability attorney if initially denied (most work on contingency). The combination of multiple mental health conditions plus asthma could strengthen her case, especially if you can document how they interact to further limit her functioning.

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This is incredibly helpful, thank you! I'm going to start gathering all this documentation right away. One more question - she's currently on my health insurance (thankfully). If she gets approved for disability, would she eventually qualify for Medicare or Medicaid? I'm wondering how her healthcare would work long-term.

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With SSDI, she would get Medicare after 24 months of receiving benefits. With SSI, she would likely get Medicaid immediately in most states. Either way, she would eventually have health coverage, which is important for maintaining the treatment she needs. One thing I haven't seen mentioned yet: make sure her doctors are specifically documenting how her conditions limit her ability to work. Many doctors focus on symptoms and treatment but don't explicitly address work capacity in their notes. You might want to ask her providers to complete a Medical Source Statement or Residual Functional Capacity form that specifically addresses work-related limitations. Also, if she's denied initially (which is common), don't give up! Request reconsideration within 60 days, and if denied again, request a hearing before an Administrative Law Judge. Success rates increase significantly at the hearing level, especially with proper representation.

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Thank you for this information about healthcare coverage - that's been a major concern. I'll definitely talk to her therapist about documenting work limitations specifically. Would it be helpful to get statements from previous employers about the accommodations they tried to make for her and why they weren't sufficient?

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