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Does SS income count toward earnings limit when collecting Social Security before FRA?

I'm planning to start taking my Social Security next year at 63, but I'll still be working part-time. I'm confused about the earnings limit that applies before full retirement age. When they calculate if I've exceeded the annual limit (before they start withholding benefits), does the Social Security payment itself count as part of my 'earnings'? Or is the limit just counting what I make from my actual job? I can't seem to find a clear answer on the SSA website, and I need to budget carefully for 2025. Thanks for any help!

Aidan Percy

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The earnings limit only counts wages from work or net earnings from self-employment. Your Social Security benefits are NOT counted toward the earnings limit. For 2025, if you're under full retirement age for the entire year, the annual limit is around $22,300 (they adjust it yearly). So you can earn up to that amount from your job without any reduction in benefits. Anything over that, they'll withhold $1 in benefits for every $2 you earn above the limit.

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Axel Bourke

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Thank you so much! That's a huge relief. So I could potentially receive $30,000 in Social Security benefits and still earn up to $22,300 from my part-time job without any reduction? I was afraid they'd count both together.

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my uncle said they count EVERYTHING as income even ur 401k and pension!! thats what happened to him last yr

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Aidan Percy

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Your uncle is confusing two different things. The earnings test (for people under FRA) ONLY counts wages or self-employment income. However, for determining whether your Social Security benefits are TAXABLE, they do look at combined income including 401k withdrawals, pensions, and half of your SS benefits. Those are completely separate issues.

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Norman Fraser

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This is a great question that confuses many people. To be absolutely clear: The earnings limit ONLY applies to earned income (wages from a job or net earnings if you're self-employed). Your Social Security benefits are NOT counted toward this limit. However, be aware of a few other important points: 1. In the year you first retire, SSA uses a monthly earnings test rather than annual 2. The earnings limit increases substantially in the year you reach your FRA 3. Once you reach your FRA, there is NO earnings limit at all 4. The earnings limit typically increases each year with inflation Make sure you report your expected earnings to SSA when you apply so they can withhold appropriately. Otherwise, you might get an overpayment notice later.

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Kendrick Webb

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FINALLY someone who explains this clearly! The SSA website is so confusing on this topic. I spent hours trying to figure this out before I decided to just retire completely at 62. Less stress that way.

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Hattie Carson

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I got BURNED by this last year!!! Nobody told me about the earnings limit and I had to pay back almost $9,500 to Social Security. Make absolutely SURE you estimate your income correctly and tell them in advance!!! They will come after every penny.

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Axel Bourke

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Oh no, that sounds awful! Did they take it all at once or set up a payment plan? I'm definitely going to be careful about tracking my income.

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Destiny Bryant

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I went through this exact situation when I started collecting at 62 while still working part-time. Others have given you correct information - only your wages count toward the earnings limit, not your SS benefits. What's annoying is how hard it is to get clear answers from SSA directly. I spent weeks trying to get through to someone on the phone who could explain this to me. After getting disconnected three times and waiting on hold for hours, I found a service called Claimyr (claimyr.com) that got me connected to a real agent in about 20 minutes. They have a video showing how it works: https://youtu.be/Z-BRbJw3puU Worth it to get definitive answers about your specific situation rather than general advice. The agent I spoke with gave me a detailed breakdown of exactly how much I could earn.

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Axel Bourke

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Thanks for the tip! I've tried calling SSA twice already with no luck. I'll definitely check out that service if I can't get through soon. Did the agent you spoke with actually calculate your specific limit?

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my sister says the limit is different if ur divorced vs married??? is that true??

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Norman Fraser

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No, marital status has no impact on the earnings limit. The earnings test is the same for everyone under full retirement age who receives retirement benefits, regardless of whether you're single, married, divorced, or widowed. The ONLY things that affect your earnings limit are your age and how much you earn from work.

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Dyllan Nantx

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Something no one's mentioned that tripped me up - they count GROSS earnings before any deductions. I thought they'd only count my take-home pay but nope! They count the full amount before taxes, health insurance, 401k, etc. Keep that in mind when budgeting.

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Axel Bourke

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Thank you! I hadn't thought about that. So I need to use the pre-tax amount when calculating if I'll exceed the limit. Really appreciate that insight!

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Kendrick Webb

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Actually I think they also count investment incom and rental properties too. That's what the form says under 'earnings' right???

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Aidan Percy

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No, they don't. Investment income and rental income do NOT count toward the earnings limit unless you're actively running a business as a real estate professional. The earnings limit ONLY applies to wages and active self-employment income. Passive income like investments, rentals, pensions, interest, dividends, capital gains, etc. doesn't count toward the limit.

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Axel Bourke

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Thanks everyone for the helpful responses! To summarize what I've learned: only my work income counts toward the earnings limit (about $22,300 for 2025), NOT my Social Security benefits. And they use the gross amount before deductions. I really appreciate all the clarification - this makes my retirement planning much easier. I'll be sure to report my expected earnings accurately when I apply next year to avoid any surprises.

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Norman Fraser

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Perfect summary! And remember that once you reach your full retirement age, the earnings limit disappears completely - you can earn any amount without reduction in benefits. Good luck with your retirement planning!

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