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WAIT! I'm confused now. Does she get 32.5% of YOUR benefit amount, or 32.5% of what YOUR benefit WOULD HAVE BEEN at your full retirement age???? This matters a lot!!! I thought it was based on what you actually GET?
It's 32.5% of what your benefit would have been at YOUR full retirement age (your PIA). So if your full retirement age benefit would be $2000, your spouse would get about $650 at age 62, even if you're taking a reduced benefit yourself by claiming early. Hope that helps clarify.
@Oliver Fischer explained it perfectly. It s'always based on your PIA Primary (Insurance Amount -) what you d'get at full retirement age. So even though you re'taking a reduced benefit by claiming at 65, your wife s'spousal calculation is still based on your unreduced amount. This is actually good news for spouses! If it were based on the reduced amount, spousal benefits would be even smaller when the higher earner claims early.
Just want to add one more important detail that might affect your planning - if your wife has her own Social Security earnings record from those 15 years of part-time work, she can actually file for her own reduced retirement benefit as early as age 62, even before you claim yours. Then when you file at 65, SSA will automatically check if her spousal benefit would be higher and switch her to that if it is. This strategy called "filing and switching" can sometimes provide a few extra years of income while you're both figuring out the optimal timing. The key is running the numbers on both scenarios to see what maximizes your household's total lifetime benefits.
This is really helpful information about the "filing and switching" strategy! I hadn't heard of this before. So if my wife files for her own benefit at 62 and gets, say, $800/month, then when I file at 65 and her spousal benefit would be $1000/month, SSA automatically switches her to the higher amount? Does she lose those early years of payments, or does she keep getting the higher spousal benefit going forward while keeping what she already received?
After reading all these comments, it sounds like you need to: 1) Verify they have the correct pension amount, 2) Request a formal determination letter explaining their calculation, and 3) Ask if there are any appeal options if you believe there's an error. I went through something similar with my WEP determination last year. The key is getting someone knowledgeable on the phone who understands GPO/WEP calculations. Unfortunately, many front-line representatives aren't fully versed in these complicated provisions. When you call, politely ask to speak with a technical expert or someone who specializes in government pension offset cases.
As a newcomer here, I just wanted to say how helpful this thread has been! I'm in a similar situation - worked for the state for 30+ years and am trying to understand how GPO will affect my potential spousal benefits. @Andre Dubois, your explanation of the GPO calculation was incredibly clear and really helped me understand why the reduction can sometimes eliminate the entire benefit. @Carmen Flores, thanks for mentioning Claimyr - I had no idea there were services to help navigate SSA's phone system. @QuantumQueen, I hope you get the determination letter and clarification you deserve. It's frustrating that they don't automatically provide clear explanations for these complex calculations. Good luck with your call!
Welcome to the community @Vincent Bimbach! I'm glad you found this thread helpful. It really shows the value of having experienced members like @Andre Dubois who can break down these complex government benefit calculations in plain English. The GPO/WEP rules are so confusing, and it's unfortunate that SSA doesn't always provide clear upfront explanations. I hope your own spousal benefit situation works out better than expected - sometimes the calculations can surprise you in a good way if your pension amount or the timing works in your favor. Thanks for the kind words!
This thread has been incredibly educational! I'm in a similar situation (62, husband is 65 and took SS early) and had no idea about most of these rules. A few additional things I've discovered through my own research: 1. There's actually a "deemed filing" rule that might apply if you're eligible for both your own retirement benefit and survivor benefits - sometimes SSA automatically files you for both and you get the higher amount. 2. If you're still working and earning significant income, there might be earnings test implications for survivor benefits before your FRA, just like with regular retirement benefits. 3. Some people don't realize that survivor benefits aren't subject to the same "file and suspend" restrictions that were eliminated in 2015 - you still have more flexibility with survivor vs. retirement benefit timing. I'm planning to use the SSA's online retirement calculator first to get rough estimates, then schedule an appointment armed with specific questions. This thread has given me a much better understanding of what questions to ask! One last tip I heard: if you do visit SSA in person, try to go early in the morning or late in the day - apparently the wait times are usually shorter then.
This is such valuable information - thank you for sharing all these additional details! I had no idea about the "deemed filing" rule, and that could definitely impact my situation. The earnings test point is particularly relevant for me since I'm still working part-time and wasn't sure how that might affect survivor benefits. Your tip about the flexibility with survivor benefits vs. retirement benefits is really encouraging. It sounds like there are still some legitimate strategies available even after the 2015 rule changes eliminated most of the "file and suspend" options. I'm definitely going to follow your approach - use the online calculator first, then go in with a list of specific questions. And thanks for the timing tip about visiting SSA! I'll definitely try to go early morning to avoid the crowds. One question for you - when you mention the earnings test, do you know if the income limits are the same for survivor benefits as they are for regular retirement benefits? Or are there different thresholds?
I'm also in my 60s and have been trying to wrap my head around all these survivor benefit rules! Reading through everyone's responses, it's clear that this is way more complex than I initially thought. A few things I wanted to add based on my own experience dealing with SSA: 1. When you do visit the local office, consider bringing a trusted family member or friend with you. I found it helpful to have someone else listening and taking notes - there's a lot of information to absorb and it's easy to forget details. 2. Don't be discouraged if you get different answers from different representatives. I had to visit twice because the first person wasn't familiar with the RIB-LIM calculations that several people mentioned here. Ask specifically for someone who handles survivor benefits regularly. 3. I learned that you can actually request a written estimate of your survivor benefits while your spouse is still living. This can help with planning and gives you concrete numbers to work with rather than just rough percentages. The point about potentially receiving MORE as a survivor than what your husband currently receives really surprised me too. It makes sense when you understand the PIA concept, but it's definitely counterintuitive at first! Thanks to everyone who shared their experiences - this has been incredibly helpful for my own planning.
Welcome to the Social Security community! As someone who's been navigating benefits for a few years now, I can confirm what others have said - the waiting game for COLA updates is definitely frustrating but totally normal. The December timeline everyone mentioned is spot on. One thing I'd add is that if you're enrolled in Medicare Part B, remember that the premium changes will also be reflected in your net benefit amount, so your actual deposit might be different than just applying the 3.2% increase to your current payment. The good news is SSA is pretty reliable about getting the payments right even when the online display lags behind. Hang in there!
Thanks for the warm welcome and the helpful info! I'm definitely still learning the ropes with all of this. The Medicare Part B adjustment is something I hadn't fully considered - I know the premium is going up next year too, so that'll definitely affect my net amount. It's reassuring to hear from experienced folks like you that the payments themselves are reliable even when the website display is slow to update. I feel much better about just being patient and waiting for December rather than stressing about it daily!
As a newcomer to this community, I really appreciate seeing all this helpful information! I'm in a similar situation - this will be my first COLA adjustment since I started receiving benefits earlier this year. It's reassuring to know that the December timeline for online account updates is normal and that the actual payments will be processed correctly in January regardless. The tip about calculating the approximate amount myself (multiplying by 1.032) is really practical for budgeting purposes. I'm also glad to learn about checking the SSA-1099 preview as another place to look for updates. Thanks everyone for sharing your experiences - it really helps those of us who are new to navigating the Social Security system!
Zoe Stavros
One important clarification about ex-spouse benefits that sometimes confuses people: applying for benefits on your ex's record does NOT reduce their benefits or notify them that you've applied. This is a common concern, but your application is completely confidential. Your ex won't know you've applied or be affected financially.
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QuantumQuester
•Oh thank goodness! I was actually worried about that but didn't want to ask. Our divorce wasn't exactly friendly and I really don't want him to know anything about my finances or retirement plans.
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Sean Kelly
Just wanted to add from my recent experience - I was in a similar situation last year and ended up doing the online application first, then when it asked for documents I chose to mail them. Here's what worked for me: I made copies of my certified divorce decree and marriage certificate, wrote a cover letter with my full name, SSN, and reference to my online application, and sent everything via certified mail with return receipt. It took about 2 weeks but they processed everything fine. The key is making sure you have CERTIFIED copies from the court, not just notarized photocopies. Also, start the online application even if you're not sure about the documents - you can always complete that part later and it gets your case in the system. Good luck with your retirement!
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Brian Downey
•This is really helpful, thank you! I like the idea of starting the online application first to get in the system. Quick question - when you say "certified copies from the court," did you have to go back to the courthouse where you got divorced to get new certified copies? Or were the ones you already had sufficient? I have certified copies from when the divorce was finalized 12 years ago, but I'm wondering if they need to be recent or if older certified copies are still valid.
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