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I'm so sorry you're dealing with this nightmare! As someone who has navigated similar SSA bureaucratic messes, I wanted to share a few things that might help: First, DEFINITELY file that SSA-632 waiver form that others mentioned - you have a strong case since this was clearly their system error, not anything you did wrong. Second, I'd suggest keeping a detailed log of every interaction you have with SSA going forward. Write down dates, times, who you spoke with, and exactly what was said. This documentation becomes crucial if you need to escalate or appeal. Also, consider reaching out to your local congressperson's office. They often have staff who specialize in helping constituents with federal agency issues like this. Sometimes a call from a congressional office can get things moving faster than months of individual effort. The fact that they're acknowledging he qualifies for adult disabled child benefits AND that they owe him back payments suggests they know they messed up. Don't let them intimidate you into just accepting this overpayment - you have rights and options here. Stay strong - this kind of bureaucratic mess is frustrating beyond words, but it IS fixable with persistence!
Thank you so much for this comprehensive advice! I hadn't thought about contacting my congressperson's office - that's brilliant. I've been feeling so overwhelmed and like I'm fighting this huge bureaucracy alone, but you're right that there are people whose job it is to help with exactly these situations. I'm definitely going to start keeping that detailed log you mentioned. I've already had several phone calls about this and wish I had written everything down from the beginning. The part about them acknowledging they owe him back payments while claiming we owe them money really does seem like they're admitting their mistake. I'm going to push hard on that angle when I file the waiver form. Thanks for the encouragement - I really needed to hear that this is fixable!
This situation sounds incredibly stressful, and I'm sorry you're dealing with SSA's bureaucratic mess! As a newcomer here, I wanted to add that you should also ask about requesting an "Administrative Review" of the overpayment determination itself - this is separate from the waiver request and challenges whether the overpayment calculation is even correct in the first place. Given that they're saying this goes back to 2018 but your son only turned 18 in 2021, there's clearly something wrong with their timeline. An administrative review can force them to show their work on how they calculated these amounts. Also, while you're gathering documentation, try to get copies of ALL benefit award letters and payment records for your son from 2018 forward. Sometimes SSA's notices reference the wrong time periods or mix up different types of benefits. Having your own paper trail will help you challenge any errors. The good news is that multiple people here have dealt with similar situations and gotten them resolved - you're definitely not alone in this fight!
That's not quite right. If you expect to earn over the limit, you should report your estimated earnings to SSA right away. They'll reduce your benefits proactively throughout the year. If you don't report it, and they discover later (through tax records) that you earned over the limit, they'll send you an overpayment notice and you'll have to pay back the excess benefits. Much better to have them withhold correctly from the start!
I'm in a similar situation - turning 62 soon and trying to figure out the best strategy. One thing I learned from my research is that you should also consider the tax implications. If you're working and collecting SS, your benefits might become taxable depending on your "combined income" (adjusted gross income + nontaxable interest + half of SS benefits). For single filers, if combined income is over $25,000, up to 50% of benefits are taxable. Over $34,000 and up to 85% can be taxable. This could affect your overall financial picture even if you stay under the earnings limit.
Wow, I hadn't even thought about the tax implications! That's a really important point. With my bookkeeping income of $22,000 plus pension of $18,000, plus whatever I'd get from SS at 62 (probably around $1,500/month), I might be looking at some of my benefits being taxable. Do you know if there are any strategies to minimize this tax hit, or is it just something you have to factor into the overall decision?
I'm a retired Social Security claims specialist, and I can confirm what many others have shared here - you would indeed receive 82.5% of your husband's Primary Insurance Amount (PIA) as your survivor benefit if you claim at age 62, NOT his current reduced benefit amount. This is one of the most misunderstood aspects of Social Security. The survivor benefit calculation is completely independent of what the deceased spouse was actually receiving. It's based solely on their PIA and your age when you claim the survivor benefit. Given your situation, here's what I'd recommend: Get a written benefit estimate from SSA showing both your projected retirement benefit at 62 and your projected survivor benefit. When you call, be very specific and ask for a "survivor benefit estimate at age 62 based on husband's PIA." Don't let them give you verbal estimates - insist on written documentation. Also, document everything from your conversations with SSA representatives, including names and dates. The rules are complex and unfortunately not all representatives fully understand survivor benefit calculations. My heart goes out to you both during this difficult time. Having accurate benefit projections will help you make the best decision for your family's circumstances.
Thank you so much for your professional insight! Having confirmation from a retired SSA claims specialist really puts my mind at ease about this decision. Your advice about getting written documentation and being very specific with my requests is exactly what I needed to hear. I'm going to call tomorrow and ask for that exact phrase - "survivor benefit estimate at age 62 based on husband's PIA." Having worked in the system, do you have any other specific language or questions I should use to make sure I get accurate information? It's such a relief to have multiple sources confirming that the survivor benefit calculation is independent of his current reduced amount. Based on everything shared here, I think claiming my own benefit at 62 so we can spend this time together is the right choice for us. Thank you for taking the time to share your expertise during this challenging period.
I'm so sorry you're going through this difficult situation. Based on my understanding from dealing with similar circumstances in my family, the survivor benefit calculation is indeed based on your husband's Primary Insurance Amount (PIA), not what he's currently receiving after his early retirement reduction. When you claim survivor benefits at 62, you would receive approximately 82.5% of his full PIA. This is because survivor benefits have their own reduction schedule that's much more favorable than regular retirement benefit reductions. So even though your husband took about a 30% reduction by claiming at 62, your survivor benefit would only be reduced by about 17.5%. I'd strongly suggest getting this in writing from SSA. When you call, ask specifically for a "written survivor benefit estimate showing the monthly amount at age 62 based on spouse's Primary Insurance Amount." Having worked with SSA before, I've found that being very specific with your language helps ensure you get accurate information. Given your husband's health situation and your desire to spend time together, claiming your own retirement benefit at 62 now might make sense - especially knowing that you could later switch to the higher survivor benefit if needed. Wishing you both strength and clarity during this challenging time.
After you get this sorted out, you might want to check if you made the optimal claiming decision. At FRA, you receive 100% of your primary insurance amount (PIA), but each year you delay past FRA (up to age 70) adds 8% in delayed retirement credits. If you're in good health and have other income sources, sometimes it's more beneficial to delay even past FRA. Just something to consider for others reading this thread - in your case, definitely claim those retroactive benefits!
That's a great point about delayed retirement credits. In my case, I needed the income to start, but I did consider waiting until 70. I guess I basically gave up 4 months of those 8% increases by applying at FRA+4 instead of waiting until 70. At least I can get the retroactive benefits for those 4 months though!
Just wanted to add another perspective here - I work as a benefits counselor and see this situation frequently. Miguel, you're definitely entitled to those 4 months of retroactive benefits. When you call SSA, be very specific and say "I want to request retroactive Social Security retirement benefits back to my full retirement age." Sometimes it helps to reference the SSA Program Operations Manual (POMS) section RS 00615.003 if the representative seems unsure. Also, don't be discouraged if the first person you talk to doesn't seem knowledgeable - ask to speak with a supervisor or technical expert if needed. The retroactive payment typically processes within 30-45 days once approved. Make sure to keep documentation of your request!
Eli Butler
I'm sorry to hear about your health challenges, Charlie. Unfortunately, the other commenters are correct - you cannot switch to SSDI after reaching your Full Retirement Age. However, I'd strongly encourage you to follow up on that benefit recalculation suggestion! Since you worked part-time until recently, those earnings from ages 62-67 might have increased your benefit amount. SSA is supposed to automatically recalculate annually, but sometimes they miss it or there are delays. Call them and specifically ask for a "benefit recalculation" based on your recent work history. Even a small increase would help with your medical expenses. Also, make sure to check if you qualify for any Medicare assistance programs for your arthritis medications - every little bit helps when you're on a fixed income.
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Jamal Carter
•This is really helpful advice, thank you Eli! I had no idea that working part-time after claiming early retirement could potentially increase my benefit amount. I always assumed once you started receiving benefits, that was it. I'm definitely going to call SSA tomorrow and ask specifically about a benefit recalculation. And yes, I'll look into the Medicare assistance programs too - with these medical conditions, every dollar counts. Thanks for taking the time to explain this!
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Mateo Martinez
I'm a disability advocate and wanted to add some additional perspective here. While everyone is correct that you cannot switch to SSDI after FRA, I want to emphasize how important it is to pursue that benefit recalculation that others mentioned. I've seen cases where people who worked even part-time after claiming early retirement got meaningful increases - sometimes $50-100+ per month - which really adds up over time. Also, given your rheumatoid arthritis and degenerative disc disease, please make sure you're aware of all the disability-related assistance programs available through Medicare, Medicaid (if you qualify), and your state. Many people don't realize there are programs specifically for medication costs, medical equipment, and even home modifications. Your local Area Agency on Aging can be a great resource for navigating these programs. Don't let the early retirement penalty discourage you from getting every benefit you're entitled to!
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