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I've been receiving my own Social Security retirement benefits since I was 67 (now 72). My husband is only 61 and started receiving SSDI about 8 months ago after his heart condition worsened. His monthly benefit is nearly $2,800 while mine is only about $1,100. I'm wondering if I can get any spousal benefits based on his disability record, or do I have to wait until he reaches full retirement age when SSDI converts to regular retirement benefits? The SSA website is confusing me because it mostly talks about spousal benefits when the higher earner is on retirement benefits, not disability. Has anyone navigated this situation before? Would really appreciate some help understanding my options!
I'm totally confused about survivor benefits strategy after reading conflicting advice. My situation: I'm 60 (born in 1965) and my husband is 63 (born in 1962). We've both worked full careers (I did 38 years, he did 42) with similar earnings - our SS projections only differ by about $100 (his is higher). Our original plan was for him to wait until 70 to maximize his benefit (and presumably create the highest survivor benefit if he passes first), while I'd file at 62 to get some income flowing. But now I'm second-guessing everything. I recently read that a widow(er) doesn't actually get the deceased spouse's age 70 amount, but instead gets a percentage of their FRA amount? And worse, if I've already filed early at 62, I'd get a REDUCED percentage of his FRA amount because I filed early? This seems to contradict the standard advice of "higher earner waits, lower earner files early." If I file at 62 and my husband dies after he's turned 70, have I permanently reduced what I could get as a survivor benefit? I understand if he died first, I could take survivor benefits and let my own benefit grow until 70, but I'm specifically confused about the scenario where I've ALREADY filed early and THEN he passes away later. Would filing early at 62 permanently restrict my survivor benefit? Sorry if this sounds morbid, but we're trying to make the smartest financial decisions for whichever one of us ends up alone. Thanks for any clarity!
I researched this extensively when planning my own retirement. The confusion comes from mixing up two different reductions: 1. The reduction to YOUR own benefit from filing early 2. The reduction to YOUR SURVIVOR BENEFIT based on when you claim it They're calculated differently! If your husband waits until 70 and gets (let's say) $3,500/month, then dies, that full amount becomes the basis for your survivor benefit. But how much of that you get depends on YOUR age when you CLAIM SURVIVOR BENEFITS. If you're already past your survivor FRA when he dies, you get 100% of his $3,500. If you're 60 when he dies, you'd get about 71.5% of his $3,500. The fact that you claimed your own benefit early doesn't directly reduce your survivor benefit. What matters is YOUR AGE when you APPLY for survivor benefits.
As someone new to this community but dealing with similar retirement planning questions, I want to thank everyone for this incredibly helpful discussion! The distinction between early filing reductions on your own benefit versus survivor benefit reductions based on when you claim survivor benefits is something I had completely misunderstood. Carmen, your situation really resonates with me - my spouse and I are also close in age with similar earnings, and I've been getting conflicting advice about optimal claiming strategies. The clarification that your husband's delayed retirement credits DO carry over to survivor benefits, but the reduction to YOUR survivor benefit depends on YOUR age when you claim it (not when you claimed your own benefit) is a game-changer for my planning. One follow-up question for the group: For couples with very similar benefit amounts like Carmen's situation, has anyone done the math on whether it's better to have both spouses delay to 70, or stick with the traditional "higher earner delays, lower earner files early" approach? It seems like when the benefit amounts are nearly identical, the survivor benefit protection might be similar either way, so maybe cash flow needs should drive the decision more than survivor planning? Thanks again for all the detailed explanations - this is exactly the kind of real-world insight that's so hard to find elsewhere!
I'm turning 63 next month and planning to claim SS retirement benefits early, but I'm worried about the earnings test since I still do some contract work. I know there's a limit ($21,240 for 2025, I think?), but I'm confused about what counts as 'earnings'. Does rental income from my duplex count against me? What about the dividends from my investments or the small pension I get from a previous job? I've heard some income doesn't count toward the limit but can't find a straight answer on the SSA website. Can anyone clarify what types of income won't affect my benefits before I apply?
One last thing to consider: any benefits withheld due to excess earnings aren't permanently lost. When you reach Full Retirement Age, SSA recalculates your benefit amount to give you credit for months when benefits were withheld. It's not a simple 1:1 return, but you do eventually recoup some of what was withheld. Many people don't realize this aspect of the earnings test!
I'm new to this community but wanted to share my experience since I went through this exact situation last year. I was also confused about the earnings test when I started collecting at 62 while still doing some freelance work. The key thing that helped me was understanding that SSA looks at when you EARN the money, not when you receive it. So if you do contract work in January but don't get paid until March, it counts toward January's earnings for the monthly test. This matters because if you go over the annual limit, they look at it month by month to see which months to withhold benefits. Also, just wanted to add that if you're thinking about timing when to start benefits, remember that your monthly benefit amount increases by about 8% for each year you delay past your full retirement age (up to age 70). So even though the earnings test goes away at FRA, there's still a financial incentive to wait if you can afford to. But everyone's situation is different - sounds like you've done your homework on what income counts!
I've been trying to wrap my head around how the spousal benefit top-off is calculated, and I want to make sure I'm understanding it correctly before I apply. From what I've gathered: 1. It's based on my husband's PIA at his FRA (not including his delayed retirement credits) 2. Add any COLAs applied since his FRA year 3. Take 50% of that amount 4. If that 50% is higher than my own benefit, I get the difference as a "top-off" (assuming I'm at my FRA) 5. If I claim before my FRA, both my own benefit AND the spousal portion get reduced based on my claiming date It's this last part where I get really confused. The reduction formulas seem complicated, and I can't figure out exactly how much I'd lose by claiming early. Does this sound right so far? And here's my other worry - I've been reading posts where people got completely wrong information from SSA representatives! Some people mention a "matrix" for calculations. What specific information should I request from SSA to verify my potential spousal benefits? How can I double-check their numbers?
One last tip: If you want to verify the numbers yourself, you can use the AnyPIA software that SSA uses internally. It's available for public download from the SSA website. It's not user-friendly at all, but if you're technically inclined and want to check their math, it's an option. Just search for "AnyPIA download" on SSA.gov. The other alternative is to consult with a financial advisor who specializes in Social Security claiming strategies. They typically charge $200-300 for a comprehensive analysis, but it might be worth it if you're making decisions that affect decades of benefits.
I had no idea they made their calculation software available! I'm fairly tech-savvy so I might give that a try. But the financial advisor route sounds good too - do you happen to know how to find advisors who truly specialize in SS rather than just general retirement planning?
This is such a helpful thread! I'm in a similar situation and have been putting off dealing with this because it seems so overwhelming. Reading through everyone's experiences, it sounds like the key is being really specific about what you ask for when you contact SSA. I'm definitely going to try Giovanni's advice about requesting a RETRY computation and asking for a Technical Expert. The fact that people are getting wildly different numbers from different reps is terrifying - I can't afford to base my retirement planning on incorrect information. One question for those who have been through this: How far in advance of when you want to claim should you start this verification process? I'm wondering if I should get my calculations verified now even though I'm not planning to claim for another 2-3 years, just so I have time to sort out any discrepancies. Also, thank you Aiden for mentioning the NSSA certification - I had no idea that existed! That seems like a much better way to find qualified help than just googling "financial advisor.
I'm trying to figure out the best Social Security strategy for our situation with a significant age difference. I'm 62 and my husband is 74 - he delayed claiming his SS benefits until 70 to maximize his monthly amount (smart move on his part!). I'm still working part-time but considering taking my own reduced retirement benefits soon. My thinking is that I could claim my own reduced benefit now, then if my husband passes away before me, I'd switch to survivor benefits when I reach my full retirement age of 67. His monthly benefit is about $3,750 while mine would only be around $1,450 if I claim now. My question is: Will our 12-year age difference impact the survivor benefit amount I'd receive? Does Social Security reduce survivor benefits based on age differences between spouses? I've heard conflicting information about this from friends and want to make sure I understand before making any decisions. Thanks for any insight!
just remebered something else - my neighbor said she had to provide marriage certificate when applying for survivor benifits. make sure u know where yours is! they are super strict about documentation
Great advice from everyone here! I'm also navigating Social Security planning and wanted to add one more resource that might help. You can create a my Social Security account online at ssa.gov to get personalized benefit estimates and see your earnings history. This can help you verify the numbers you're working with before making any claiming decisions. Also, regarding the documentation Sarah mentioned - yes, you'll definitely need your marriage certificate for survivor benefits, but also make sure you have your husband's death certificate when that time comes (hopefully far in the future!). The SSA is very particular about having original documents or certified copies. Your plan to wait 18 months and get everything in writing sounds very smart. The earnings test really can complicate things if you're still working, and the permanent reduction from claiming early is significant. Better to be patient and maximize your benefits!
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Will do! They said it might take 30-45 days for processing. The extra $300 will make a big difference for us.
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Congratulations on getting this sorted out! Your success story will definitely help others in similar situations. I'm curious - when you called SSA, did they mention anything about whether the spousal benefit increase will be retroactive to when your husband first started receiving SSDI 8 months ago, or does it only start from when you applied? I know sometimes there can be retroactive payments depending on the timing, and this might be helpful information for others reading this thread who are in similar situations.
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