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Mei Wong

Thank you all for the helpful responses! I've learned so much. To summarize what I understand now: Since my sister was born after 1954, when her SSDI converts to retirement at 67, she has to choose either her own benefit OR 50% of her ex's (whichever is higher) - she can't do one then switch to the other. I'll help her set up a my Social Security account to see her projected benefit amount and then we'll try to figure out what her ex might be receiving to compare. I appreciate everyone taking the time to explain this complicated situation!

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One final tip - when her time comes to make this decision, have her schedule an appointment with SSA rather than just calling or walking in. An actual appointment gives her the best chance of speaking with someone knowledgeable about these complex scenarios involving SSDI conversion and divorced spouse benefits. And bring all documentation about the marriage and divorce to that appointment.

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Just wanted to add one more consideration that hasn't been mentioned yet - if your sister's ex-husband hasn't filed for his own benefits yet, she might still be able to claim divorced spouse benefits even if he's just eligible (age 62+). The rule is that if they've been divorced for at least 2 years, she can claim on his record even if he hasn't actually applied yet. This could be relevant depending on his age and filing status. Also, make sure she understands that claiming divorced spouse benefits won't affect what her ex receives - it's completely independent of his benefits. Good luck navigating all this!

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That's a really important point about the 2-year divorce rule! I hadn't heard about that before. So even if her ex hasn't filed yet, as long as he's 62 or older and they've been divorced for at least 2 years, she could still potentially claim on his record? That might open up more options for timing. And it's reassuring to know that whatever she does won't impact what he receives - I was worried there might be some awkward situation where claiming benefits on his record would somehow reduce what he gets. Thanks for adding that detail!

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After reading all these comments, I'd suggest you have a one-on-one consultation with a financial advisor who specializes in Social Security claiming strategies. With a significant difference between your benefit amounts, proper timing could make a substantial difference in your lifetime benefits, especially considering survivor benefits down the road. While the spousal benefit won't increase if your husband delays claiming, survivor benefits would be based on his actual benefit amount including any delayed retirement credits.

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THIS!!! We paid for a 1-hour consultation with a retirement specialist and it was SO WORTH IT!! They showed us how to maximize our benefits over our lifetimes, not just looking at the monthly amount. The survivor benefit planning alone saved us thousands potentially!!!

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Just wanted to add my experience as someone who recently navigated this! I was in a very similar situation - my own benefit was around $400/month and my husband's was $3,800. The key thing that helped me understand it was when the SSA representative explained that you essentially get "topped up" to the higher amount. So you're not losing your own work credits - they're still there as the foundation - but you get supplemented up to that 50% spousal amount. Also, definitely recommend keeping detailed notes when you talk to SSA reps because I got slightly different explanations from different people, which was confusing. The bottom line for me was getting about $1,900/month total (50% of his PIA) instead of my $400. Make sure you understand the timing requirements too - I had to wait until after my husband filed, but once he did, the process was pretty straightforward. Good luck!

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Thank you so much for sharing your real-world experience! It's really helpful to hear from someone who went through the exact same situation. I like how you explained the "topped up" concept - that makes it much clearer than some of the other explanations I've seen. The idea that my work credits are still the foundation but I get supplemented to reach the higher amount really helps me understand it better. I'm definitely going to take your advice about keeping detailed notes when I talk to different SSA reps. It sounds like consistency in explanations can be an issue! Your final amount of $1,900 is pretty close to what I'm expecting to get, so that gives me more confidence in the calculations everyone has been sharing here.

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my aunt went thru this last year. she got the spousal increase but had to fight for backpay. they only gave her 6 months backpay even tho she shoulda been getting it for 2+ years! make sure u ask about retroactive benefits when u apply

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That's good to know - I'll definitely ask about retroactive payments. Really appreciate the tip!

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I'm in a very similar situation - took my benefits at 62 and just turned 64. Reading through all these responses has been really eye-opening! I had no idea about the spousal benefits potentially being available. My husband's benefit is about $2,800/month and mine is only $1,100, so it sounds like I should definitely look into this. One question for those who've successfully gotten the spousal benefit - did you need to bring any specific documentation when you applied, or do they have everything they need in their system already? I want to be prepared when I call so I don't waste the opportunity if I actually get through to someone! Also, @Sean Murphy, thanks for mentioning that Claimyr service - I'm definitely going to look into that since the thought of sitting on hold for hours is making me put this off.

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One thing I haven't seen mentioned yet: if your benefits are reduced because you exceed the earnings limit, it's not money you permanently lose. Once you reach your Full Retirement Age, SSA will recalculate your monthly benefit amount to give you credit for the months they withheld benefits. So you'll get a higher monthly payment after FRA to make up for some of those reductions. Also, for your first year of retirement, SSA sometimes applies a monthly earnings test rather than the annual one. You might want to ask about the "first year rule" when you speak with them.

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They NEVER told me about getting the money back later!!! I've been at FRA for 2 years now and my benefit is still the same reduced amount. How do you get them to do this recalculation???

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@Sofia Martinez - The recalculation should happen automatically, but sometimes SSA misses it or there are delays in their system. You ll'want to contact them directly to request a manual review of your earnings record. They ll'need to verify which months had benefits withheld due to the earnings test and then adjust your monthly benefit amount accordingly. You can also check your my Social Security account online to see if there s'any record of the adjustment. If you re'still having trouble getting through by phone, you might want to try visiting your local SSA office in person or use that Claimyr service @Ava Thompson mentioned earlier.

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As someone who just went through this process last year, I wanted to add a few practical tips that might help: 1) Keep detailed records of ALL your income sources throughout the year - wages, self-employment, and yes, even those royalty payments. Even though the royalties shouldn't count against your limit, having documentation will save you headaches if SSA ever questions anything. 2) If you do decide to take that hardware store job, ask your employer upfront about flexible scheduling. Since you're close to the $22,320 limit, you'll want to track your earnings carefully as you approach it. 3) One thing that caught me off guard - if you have any unused vacation pay or severance from a previous job that gets paid out after you start collecting benefits, that DOES count toward your earnings limit for the year it's paid, even if you earned it before retiring. 4) The "first year rule" mentioned earlier is really important for your situation since you just started benefits in January. In your first year of retirement, you can use a monthly test ($1,860/month for 2025) instead of the annual test, but only for months after you retire. This can be helpful if you had high earnings early in the year before starting benefits. Good luck with everything! The SSA phone wait times are absolutely brutal, so definitely consider that Claimyr service or try visiting your local office if you need to speak with someone directly.

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This is incredibly helpful, thank you! I had no idea about the unused vacation pay rule - that could have really caught me off guard since I do have some accrued vacation time from my old job that they're supposed to pay out in a few months. The first year rule sounds like it might be exactly what I need to understand better. Since I started benefits in January 2025, does that mean for the rest of 2025 I can use the monthly $1,860 test instead of worrying about the annual $22,320 limit? That would make the summer hardware store job much more manageable to plan around. I'm definitely going to start keeping better records of everything. Do you know if there's a specific form or way SSA prefers you to track and report earnings throughout the year, or is it just important to have the documentation ready if they ask?

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I'm sorry you're going through this difficult situation. As others have mentioned, the personal needs allowance system can feel really limiting. One thing I'd add that might help is to ask your facility's social worker about any charitable programs or assistance they might offer. Some facilities have hardship funds or partnerships with local organizations that can help with small personal expenses like phone bills or personal care items. Also, if you have family or friends who visit, they might be able to help by bringing you certain items directly rather than having you purchase them with your limited allowance. It's not a perfect solution, but every little bit can help stretch that small monthly amount. I hope the ombudsman can provide some good guidance for your specific situation!

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That's a really thoughtful suggestion about asking the social worker about charitable programs! I hadn't even thought about that possibility. It would be great if there are local organizations that help with things like phone bills since staying connected with family is so important. I'll definitely ask about that when I meet with the ombudsman. Thank you for the practical advice!

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I'm really sorry you're facing this stressful situation. The uncertainty while waiting for SSDI approval is hard enough without worrying about what happens to your benefits afterward. One additional resource that might help is contacting your state's SHIP program (State Health Insurance Assistance Program). They provide free counseling specifically about Medicare, Medicaid, and related benefits issues. Even though SSDI isn't Medicare initially, they often have expertise in how different programs interact with Medicaid-funded long-term care. Also, keep in mind that if you do get approved, you may be eligible for retroactive benefits going back to when you first applied in May 2024. While most of those would likely go to the facility as well, having that lump sum could help cover some one-time expenses you've been putting off. The system definitely feels unfair, but knowing your rights and having advocates on your side can make a real difference in navigating it. Best of luck with your approval process!

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