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I finally started collecting my Social Security retirement last year at age 70 after delaying past my full retirement age of 67. My original FRA monthly benefit would have been around $3,250, but because I waited plus got COLA increases, I'm now receiving about $4,500 monthly. My wife (she's 64) and I were discussing survivor planning yesterday, and we realized we have completely different understandings of what she'd receive if I passed away. I thought she'd get my current higher amount, but she insists her financial advisor told her she'd only get my original FRA amount. This is a pretty significant difference of over $1,200 monthly! Can someone clarify which amount she would actually receive as a survivor benefit? Does she get my boosted current payment or just what my FRA amount would have been?
I started receiving SSDI last year after my car accident, and I'm finally able to work part-time at my cousin's store. I'm getting really confused about how the earnings limit works though. Do I need to stay under the limit EACH month, or does Social Security just look at my total earnings for the year? I heard different things from two different people at my local office! One said I'd lose benefits immediately if I go over the monthly amount, but another mentioned something about averaging. I'm scheduled to work extra hours for the holidays which would put me over for December, but my annual total would still be under the yearly limit. I'm really worried about losing my medical coverage if I mess this up. Can anyone clarify how this actually works?
I've been navigating SSDI work rules for about 2 years now, and I learned this the hard way - always err on the side of caution with monthly limits! What really helped me was creating a simple spreadsheet to track my earnings week by week so I could see when I was getting close to the $1,550 monthly limit. One thing I wish someone had told me earlier: if you're unsure about your TWP status, you can also request a "work history printout" from SSA that shows exactly which months counted toward your Trial Work Period. This is different from what shows up in your online account and gives you the complete picture. Also, since you mentioned working at your cousin's store, make sure they understand your situation too. I had to have an honest conversation with my employer about needing to potentially reduce hours certain months to stay under the limit. Most understanding employers will work with you on scheduling once they know the stakes. The key is staying organized and proactive - don't wait until after you've potentially gone over to figure out the rules!
I'm new to this community but have been dealing with similar SSDI work questions for the past few months. This thread is incredibly helpful! Just wanted to add one more resource that's been invaluable for me - the Red Book from Social Security Administration. It's their official guide to employment supports and you can download it free from their website (ssa.gov). It explains all these rules in detail with examples that really help clarify the monthly vs annual confusion. What really stood out to me from reading everyone's advice is how important it is to document EVERYTHING. I started taking photos of my timesheets and pay stubs with my phone as backup, and keeping a simple notebook where I write down my daily hours. It seems like overkill, but after reading about people having to fight discrepancies with SSA, I figure it's better to be over-prepared. @NebulaNomad - your situation with the holiday hours is so relatable. I was in almost the exact same spot last month and ended up having an honest conversation with my employer about needing to cap my December hours. They were completely understanding once I explained that going over could jeopardize my benefits and medical coverage. Most people get it when you frame it that way. Stay strong and keep asking questions - this community clearly has so much collective wisdom to share!
Thank you so much for mentioning the Red Book! I just looked it up and downloaded it - you're right that having the official SSA guide with actual examples is going to be so much more reliable than trying to piece together information from different sources. Your point about documenting everything really resonates with me too. After reading all these stories about people having to fight discrepancies or prove their earnings later, I can see how having multiple forms of backup documentation could be a lifesaver. Taking photos of timesheets is such a simple but smart idea - I'm going to start doing that immediately. It's really encouraging to hear that your employer was understanding about capping December hours. I've been putting off that conversation with my cousin because I was worried she'd think I was being difficult, but everyone's experiences here show that most people are actually pretty reasonable when they understand what's at stake. I'm definitely going to have that talk with her this week. Thank you for the encouragement and for adding another great resource to this thread. This community really is amazing - I came here panicked and confused, and now I feel like I have a solid plan and so many helpful tools to manage this properly!
I just checked my bank account and noticed Social Security deposited an extra payment of $1,623 yesterday. I already received my regular February payment on the 3rd (I get paid on the 3rd of each month based on my birth date). There's no explanation on MySocialSecurity account and nothing showing under 'Payment History' about this second deposit. I'm worried they made a mistake and I'll have to pay it back or get penalized somehow. Has anyone else received an unexpected second payment this month? Should I call SSA about this or just wait and see what happens?
I'm glad to see others reporting this same issue! I received an unexpected second payment of $1,456 on February 16th (my regular payment comes on the 2nd Wednesday). Like others mentioned, it shows up as "SSA TREAS" in my bank account. I was really worried I'd done something wrong or that my account got hacked somehow. Reading through all these comments makes me feel much better that it's a known system error. I'm definitely going to report it tomorrow - better safe than sorry. Has anyone heard if SSA is planning to send out any official notifications about this error to affected beneficiaries?
I'm a new member here and just wanted to say thank you to everyone for sharing their experiences with this duplicate payment issue! I received an unexpected second payment of $1,289 on February 17th (my regular payment date is the 4th Wednesday) and I was completely panicked thinking there was some kind of fraud or mistake on my account. Reading through all these comments has been so reassuring - it's clearly a widespread system error affecting many beneficiaries. I'm definitely going to call SSA tomorrow to report it and get it documented in my account. It sounds like the key is reporting it quickly to avoid any potential penalties later, even though it was their mistake. Has anyone who reported it early heard back from SSA about when they expect to reverse these payments?
Welcome to the community! I'm new here too and in the exact same situation - got an unexpected payment on Feb 16th and was really scared at first. From what I've read in this thread, it sounds like people who called and reported it were told the money would be automatically withdrawn within 2-3 weeks. The SSA agents seem to be documenting these calls and confirming it's a known system error. I'm planning to call tomorrow as well using that Claimyr service someone mentioned since regular SSA phone lines seem to be swamped. Good luck!
I'm completely frustrated with the SSA right now! I started collecting Social Security retirement benefits at 62 last year, but then had to go back to work at my daughter's business when they lost their office manager. Didn't expect to make so much, but ended up earning about $8,500 over the annual earnings limit for 2024. I decided I'd rather just pay back the overage amount rather than have them withhold my future benefits (which I really need for basic expenses). So about 5 weeks ago, I sent them a check for the overpayment amount with a letter explaining what it was for. Well, they STILL haven't cashed my check, but they've gone ahead and SUSPENDED my monthly benefits anyway! I even went to my local office last week to see if they could track down my check in their system. The representative said they'd "look into it" but I haven't heard anything since. Has anyone dealt with this before? How do I get them to process my payment and restore my benefits? Is there a specific form I should have used instead of just sending a check? The suspension is really hurting me financially.
UPDATE: I went back to the SSA office this morning and showed them this thread on my phone. The representative was actually really helpful this time! She found my check - it was sitting in their finance department waiting for "clarification" on how to apply it. She expedited the processing and said my benefits should be reinstated within 10 business days. She also said I should have used Form SSA-795 like someone here suggested. Thank you all for your help!
Great news! I'm glad they found your check. For future reference, anytime you're sending money to SSA, always include a cover letter AND the appropriate form that explains exactly what the payment is for. Their system is very compartmentalized, and without proper documentation, things can easily get lost in the shuffle.
So glad to hear you got this resolved! This is exactly why I always recommend bringing documentation and being persistent with SSA. Your experience will definitely help others who run into the same issue. For anyone else reading this - the key takeaways seem to be: 1) Always use the proper forms (SSA-795 in this case), 2) Include detailed cover letters explaining the purpose of any payments, 3) Don't give up after the first visit to the office, and 4) Sometimes showing them that others have had similar experiences (like this thread) can help the representative understand the issue better. Thanks for updating us with the resolution!
I'm turning my full retirement age (FRA) in July this year and started receiving Social Security retirement benefits last year. I know there's an earnings limit before FRA, but I'm confused about how it works in the year I reach FRA. Am I still restricted to only earning the $22,000 for the entire year even though I reach FRA halfway through? Someone at church told me the limit changes in the month I reach FRA, but the SSA website is confusing me. I don't want to accidentally trigger any benefit reductions if I take on some consulting work this spring. Anyone deal with this recently?
also dont forget about TAXES on SS! even if you dont hit the earnings limts you might have to pay taxes on like 85% of your benefits if your total income is high enough!! thats a whole OTHER thing to worry about!!
This is correct. Taxation of benefits is separate from the earnings test. If your combined income (adjusted gross income + nontaxable interest + half of your Social Security benefits) exceeds certain thresholds, up to 85% of your benefits may be taxable. But this is just about taxation - it doesn't reduce your actual benefit amount like the earnings test does.
One thing that helped me when I was in a similar situation was creating a simple spreadsheet to track my monthly earnings leading up to my FRA month. I made columns for the date, source of income (W2 vs consulting), amount earned, and cumulative total. This made it really easy to see exactly where I stood each month and avoid accidentally going over that $59,520 limit before July. Also, if you do any consulting work, consider timing when you invoice clients - you might want to delay some invoicing until after your FRA month to be extra safe. The peace of mind was worth more to me than rushing to get paid a few months earlier.
Maya Patel
One other thing to consider - if your wife is still working or plans to work past age 67 (her FRA), she might want to think strategically about claiming. She could potentially take reduced survivor benefits now and switch to her own retirement benefit later if her own benefit would be higher by then (especially if she has high career earnings). Or alternatively, take her own reduced retirement benefit now and switch to the survivor benefit at her FRA. Which option is best depends on the difference between her benefit amount and your benefit amount. This is why personalized planning is so important with survivor benefits.
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Liam Mendez
AuthorThat's really helpful - I hadn't realized she could potentially switch between benefits. Her career earnings were modest compared to mine, so I suspect the survivor benefit will always be higher than her own. Still, definitely worth exploring all options.
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Natalie Adams
As someone who just went through the survivor benefit process last month when my father passed, I can confirm your wife would get your CURRENT benefit amount ($4,500), not the FRA amount. The key things we learned: 1) She gets the higher of your benefit or her own benefit, 2) If she claims before her FRA (67), it gets reduced - at 64 she'd get about 85-90% depending on exact timing, 3) The earnings test applies if she's still working, and 4) Don't forget to apply for the $255 lump sum death benefit. My biggest advice: get everything in writing from SSA because different representatives sometimes give conflicting information. Also, start the application process as soon as possible after death occurs - benefits can be paid retroactively but there's still paperwork delays.
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