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I work at a local SSA field office and see cases like your mom's regularly. Here's what I'd recommend: Have her request a detailed benefit verification letter from SSA that shows exactly how her current benefits are calculated. This will clearly indicate if WEP or GPO reductions are being applied. For USPS employees like your stepfather, WEP is very common and would have reduced his benefit while alive, which directly impacts the survivor benefit amount she receives now. The good news is that if the Social Security Fairness Act passes, SSA will automatically recalculate affected benefits - no application needed. Your mom should also ask specifically about any "deemed filing" rules that might affect her situation since she claimed early at 62. The calculations can get complex when someone is eligible for both their own retirement benefit and a survivor benefit.

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This is incredibly helpful advice from someone who actually works at SSA! I had no idea about the detailed benefit verification letter - that sounds like exactly what we need to understand mom's current situation. The "deemed filing" rules you mentioned are something new to me too. Could you clarify what that means in practical terms for someone who claimed early like my mom did? I really appreciate you taking the time to explain this from an insider's perspective.

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This is such a helpful thread - I'm learning so much about how these WEP/GPO rules actually work! As someone new to navigating Social Security, I had no idea how complex the calculations could be, especially for federal employees and their survivors. It sounds like your mom's situation is unfortunately very common, but there's real hope with the Social Security Fairness Act potentially passing. I've been following the legislation too, and it's encouraging to see the bipartisan support it has this time around. The advice about getting that detailed benefit verification letter from SSA seems really important - it would give you concrete information about what reductions are currently being applied. I hope your mom is able to get the clarity she needs and potentially see an increase in her benefits if this legislation goes through. Thank you for sharing your story - it's helping people like me understand these issues better.

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I just wanted to thank everyone for this incredibly detailed and helpful discussion! As someone who's been struggling to understand how the FAIR Act affects my situation as a FERS postal employee with 13 years service, this thread has been more informative than anything I've found on official government websites. The step-by-step guidance about requesting Form SSA-7050 first, then checking the online Social Security account, and finally calling SSA with all documentation ready seems like the perfect roadmap. It's also reassuring to learn that FERS employees like myself who paid into both systems during our postal careers are generally in a better position than CSRS employees. I'm especially grateful for the clarification about the 30-year substantial earnings threshold for WEP exemption. With my 13 USPS years plus 22 other years of SS-covered work, it sounds like I should be well above that threshold, assuming most years meet the substantial earnings amount for their respective years. I'll definitely follow the advice shared here and start with getting my complete earnings record before contacting SSA. It's encouraging to hear from people who have successfully navigated this process recently. This community is amazing - thank you all for sharing your knowledge and experiences!

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I completely agree - this thread has been incredibly valuable! As someone new to understanding these benefits, I've learned so much from everyone's shared experiences. The clear action plan that's emerged (Form SSA-7050 → online account check → SSA call with documentation) makes what seemed like an overwhelming process much more manageable. It's also really helpful to understand that with 35 total years of SS coverage, you should be in excellent shape for WEP exemption. I'm bookmarking this discussion because the detailed explanations about FERS vs CSRS differences and the substantial earnings thresholds are so much clearer than anything I've found on government sites. Thank you for summarizing the key takeaways - it'll help other newcomers like me who might find this thread in the future!

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I'm a newer member here but wanted to share what I learned after going through a similar situation recently. As a FERS postal employee with 14 years of service plus other SS-covered work, I was initially confused about how the FAIR Act would affect me too. After following the excellent advice in this thread about getting Form SSA-7050 and speaking with SSA, I discovered that the key really is understanding whether your years meet the "substantial earnings" threshold. What surprised me was that some of my earlier working years from the 1990s and early 2000s actually did qualify as substantial earnings even though the dollar amounts seemed low - the thresholds were much lower back then. For someone with your work history (13 USPS + 22 other SS years), you're very likely already exempt from WEP or will see significant relief under the FAIR Act. The fact that you paid into Social Security during your entire postal career as a FERS employee puts you in a much better position than CSRS employees. One tip: when you request Form SSA-7050, also ask for a "WEP calculation worksheet" if one applies to your situation. This shows exactly how your benefits are being calculated and whether WEP is actually affecting you. In some cases, people think they're subject to WEP when they're actually not. The implementation is definitely happening in phases, but don't let that discourage you from getting your paperwork in order now. Having accurate information will make your retirement planning much more reliable. Good luck!

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WAIT! Everyone here is giving advice without asking a critical question: is your husband still working? If so, how much does he earn? Because if he claims before his FRA and earns above the earnings limit (about $21,240 for 2025), both HIS benefits AND any benefits paid on his record (including your spousal benefits) would be reduced by $1 for every $2 earned above that limit. This earnings test could significantly impact what you'd actually receive!

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Yes, he's still working full-time and makes about $78,000 per year. But he's planning to work until his FRA (67) and then claim. Would the earnings test affect me if I claim spousal benefits at 62 while he's still working but hasn't filed yet?

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The earnings test would only apply if your husband claims benefits before his FRA while still working. Since he plans to wait until his FRA to claim, the earnings test won't affect his benefits or any benefits paid on his record (including your spousal benefits). You can claim your spousal benefits at 62 (with the permanent reduction) while he continues working, and his earnings won't impact your benefit amount. The earnings test would only apply to you if YOU were working while collecting benefits early.

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Hi Ana! I see you've gotten some great detailed advice here. Just wanted to add one more consideration that might help with your decision: have you thought about potentially going back to work part-time for a few years to build up some of your own work credits? Even earning just $7,180 per year (the 2025 amount for one work credit) for 4-5 years could help boost your own benefit calculation and give you more flexibility. Sometimes people find that even a small part-time job can significantly improve their Social Security picture, especially if those earnings replace some of those zero-earning years in your calculation. Plus, if you're healthy and able to work, the extra income could help you delay claiming until your FRA for that full 50% spousal benefit. Just another option to consider alongside all the excellent advice you've already received!

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Just wanted to add another perspective as someone who's been researching this extensively. The earnings test elimination at FRA is one of the best-kept secrets about Social Security! I'm 66 right now and planning to wait until my FRA next year specifically for this reason. One thing I discovered that might be helpful - if you're thinking about working after claiming at FRA, consider that your Social Security benefits will continue to be protected from inflation through the annual COLA (Cost of Living Adjustment), but your work income won't have that same protection. So having that guaranteed inflation-adjusted income from Social Security plus the ability to earn unlimited additional income really creates a nice foundation for retirement security. The peace of mind knowing that no matter how much you earn, your Social Security won't be reduced is invaluable.

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That's such a valuable point about the COLA protection! I hadn't thought about how Social Security benefits adjust for inflation while work income doesn't automatically do that. It really does create a solid foundation when you think about it that way. I'm new to thinking about all these retirement planning details, but this whole conversation has been incredibly educational. It seems like there are so many factors to consider beyond just the basic "when should I start collecting" question. The combination of guaranteed inflation-adjusted income plus unlimited earning potential after FRA sounds like it could provide both security and flexibility, which is exactly what I'd want in retirement.

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I'm also new to navigating all these Social Security rules, and this thread has been incredibly helpful! One thing I'm curious about - does anyone know if there are any changes to these earnings rules being proposed by Congress or the Social Security Administration? I want to make sure I'm planning based on rules that will actually be in place when I reach my FRA in a few years. Also, for those of you who are working while collecting after FRA, do you find that employers treat you differently when they know you're also receiving Social Security? I'm wondering if there could be any practical issues beyond just the financial calculations.

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Great questions! As a newcomer to this topic myself, I've been wondering about the same things. From what I've read, the earnings test elimination at FRA has been a stable rule for many years, but you're smart to ask about potential changes. I haven't seen any major proposals to modify this specific rule, though Social Security reform discussions do come up periodically in Congress. Regarding employer treatment, that's something I hadn't considered but it's a really practical concern. I imagine it could vary widely depending on the employer and type of work. Some might see the experience and stability as valuable, while others might have concerns about commitment or health insurance complications. Has anyone here had direct experience with this when job hunting or negotiating work arrangements after starting to collect benefits?

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One more important thing: WEP can't reduce your Social Security by more than half of your pension amount. So with your $3,100 pension, the maximum WEP reduction would be $1,550. Also, if you have 30+ years of substantial earnings under Social Security, WEP doesn't apply at all. With 12 years, you get a partial exemption. And regarding the timing question - yes, waiting until your Full Retirement Age would avoid the early claiming reduction, which makes a significant difference. At 62, you'd get only about 70% of your PIA (Primary Insurance Amount), and then WEP would reduce that further.

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This is such a helpful thread! I'm in a similar situation as a retired teacher from Ohio and was completely unaware of WEP until I started researching my benefits. One thing I'd add is that you might want to double-check your earnings record on ssa.gov to make sure all your Social Security-covered work years are properly recorded. I found two years missing from mine and had to submit W-2s to get them added, which improved my substantial earnings count for the WEP calculation. Also, Harper, since you mentioned having 12 years of substantial earnings, you might qualify for the WEP guarantee provision that limits how much they can reduce your benefit. Definitely worth getting the exact calculation from SSA!

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That's really great advice about checking the earnings record! I just created my ssa.gov account and you're absolutely right - I'm missing one year from when I worked retail before teaching. Do you remember how long it took SSA to process the W-2s you submitted? I want to make sure my record is complete before I apply for benefits. Also wondering if those missing earnings years could potentially bump me up to having enough substantial earnings to reduce the WEP impact even more.

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