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I'm so glad you posted this question because I was literally wondering the same thing! I just started receiving Social Security benefits at 62 and have been terrified about accidentally going over the earnings limit. Reading all these responses has been incredibly educational - I had no idea there was such a clear distinction between "earned" and "unearned" income. It makes perfect sense that they only care about whether you're actively working, not about one-time asset sales or retirement withdrawals. This community is amazing for getting real-world experiences from people who've actually dealt with these situations. Thank you to everyone who shared their stories!
I completely agree! As someone who just started navigating all this Social Security stuff myself, it's so reassuring to see real people sharing their actual experiences. The whole earned vs unearned income distinction was totally new to me too - I wish the SSA website explained it this clearly! It's amazing how much peace of mind you can get from hearing "I went through the exact same thing and it was fine." Thanks to everyone for being so helpful and sharing their stories!
I'm glad this question got so many detailed responses! As someone who's been helping people navigate SSA benefits for years, I want to emphasize what others have said - the earnings test is very specific about what counts. Only "earned income" from active work counts toward the $22,320 limit. Your timeshare sale and 401k withdrawals are both considered "unearned income" and are completely exempt. The SSA Publication 05-10069 "How Work Affects Your Benefits" explains this clearly if you want the official source. You can sleep easy knowing you're well within the limits!
Thank you so much for mentioning that SSA publication! I'm new to all this and really appreciate having an official source to reference. It's reassuring to hear from someone with experience helping people navigate these benefits. I was getting overwhelmed trying to understand all the different rules, but this thread has been incredibly helpful. The distinction between earned and unearned income makes so much more sense now - I wish I had known about this resource earlier!
When i started SS last year i had to quit my good payin job and find something with less hours cause of this stupid rule!! I'm still MAD they dont explain this stuff better!
I understand your frustration. The earnings limit can be confusing. One option for people in your situation is to wait until Full Retirement Age to claim benefits if they want to continue working substantial hours. That way there's no limit on earnings. But everyone's situation is different, and sometimes claiming early makes sense even with the earnings restriction.
Just wanted to add one more helpful detail - if you're tracking your earnings throughout the year, Social Security uses your gross wages (before taxes) when calculating against the earnings limit. So make sure you're looking at your gross pay from that part-time job, not your take-home pay. Also, if you get a raise or bonus during the year, factor that in too. The SSA website has a really helpful earnings test calculator where you can plug in your expected annual earnings to see exactly how it would affect your benefits if you do go over the limit.
Thank you for mentioning the earnings test calculator! I didn't know the SSA website had that tool. That sounds really helpful for planning purposes. I'll definitely check that out so I can see exactly where I stand and maybe even model what would happen if I did decide to pick up those extra hours at work. It's so much better to have concrete numbers rather than just guessing.
That's really helpful about using gross wages - I was actually looking at my net pay when doing my calculations! No wonder my numbers seemed off. And I had no idea SSA had an earnings test calculator on their website. That sounds like exactly what I need to figure out whether I can safely take on more hours. Thanks for pointing me in the right direction!
This is such a complex situation and I really appreciate how thoroughly everyone has explained the mechanics! As someone who went through a similar decision with my father a few years ago, I wanted to add one more consideration that helped us: we created a simple spreadsheet to model different scenarios over her expected lifetime. We compared: - Total lifetime benefits if she waits until FRA - Total lifetime benefits if she claims early with various earnings levels - The break-even point where early claiming becomes advantageous In our case, my dad's immediate financial stress was severe enough that even with the permanent reduction, early claiming was the right choice. The peace of mind and financial stability it provided was worth more than the mathematical optimization. One practical tip: if she does decide to claim early, consider setting aside a small portion of each benefit payment in a separate account. This can help cover any unexpected gaps if more months than anticipated get withheld due to earnings fluctuations. Good luck with whatever decision you make - it sounds like you're approaching this very thoughtfully!
This spreadsheet approach is brilliant! I'm definitely going to create something similar for my mom's situation. The break-even analysis especially makes sense - sometimes the "mathematically optimal" choice isn't the right choice when you factor in real-world stress and financial pressure. I love the tip about setting aside portions of each payment too. That's such a practical way to prepare for the withholding months. Thank you for sharing your experience - it's reassuring to hear from someone who actually went through this decision process successfully!
One thing to keep in mind is that SSA typically reviews earnings annually, not monthly. So if your mom claims early and works above the limit, she likely won't see immediate withholding - it usually happens the following year after they process her annual earnings report. This means she could receive several months of full benefits before any withholding occurs. Also, I'd suggest having her create a my.ssa.gov account if she hasn't already. She can view her earnings record, get benefit estimates, and track any changes to her account online. This makes it much easier to stay on top of everything and catch any errors early. The decision really comes down to her specific circumstances. If she's facing immediate financial hardship and the early benefits would prevent more serious consequences (like losing her home), then the permanent reduction might be an acceptable trade-off. Just make sure you're both prepared for the complexity of managing the earnings test if she continues working.
This is really helpful information about the timing of the earnings review! I didn't realize SSA processes this annually rather than in real-time. That could actually work in my mom's favor - she'd get several months of full payments before any withholding kicks in, which could help with her immediate cash flow crisis. The my.ssa.gov account suggestion is great too. I'll help her set that up so we can monitor everything and make sure her earnings are being reported correctly. You're absolutely right that this decision is very situation-specific. The mathematical "optimization" is important, but sometimes you have to weigh that against real-world consequences. In her case, keeping her home and maintaining financial stability for 18 months might be worth the permanent reduction, especially since she plans to work past FRA anyway. Thanks for the practical advice - it's exactly the kind of insight I was hoping to find here!
I'm so sorry for your loss, Debra. I went through the survivor benefits application process about 2 years ago when my husband passed away. The phone interview is definitely much easier than trying to navigate everything in person, especially when you're grieving. One thing I'd add that I haven't seen mentioned yet - make sure you know your own Social Security earnings history if possible. While they focus mainly on your husband's record for survivor benefits, they may ask about your own work credits to help determine the best claiming strategy for your situation. Also, if you or your husband ever lived in a different state, be prepared to provide those addresses and approximate dates. Sometimes this comes up for verification purposes. The representative who handled my case was incredibly patient and understanding. She even sent me a summary letter after the call outlining what we discussed and what the next steps would be. The whole process from phone interview to approval took about 6 weeks for me. You're doing the right thing by preparing ahead of time. Having all your documents organized will make the interview go much more smoothly. Take care of yourself during this difficult time - you're stronger than you know.
Thank you so much for mentioning the Social Security earnings history, Aurora. I hadn't thought about needing to know my own work record details, but that makes sense for determining the best strategy. I do remember living in two different states over the years with my husband, so I'll make sure to have those addresses and timeframes ready. It's really reassuring to hear that your representative sent a summary letter afterward - that sounds like it would be so helpful to have everything documented in writing to refer back to. The 6-week timeline from interview to approval is consistent with what others have shared, which helps me set realistic expectations. Everyone's experiences and advice have been so valuable in helping me prepare for this process. I feel much more confident and organized now thanks to this supportive community.
I'm so sorry for your loss, Debra. I went through the survivor benefits phone interview process about 8 months ago after my wife passed away. The phone interview really is the standard process now, and honestly, it's much more comfortable than sitting in a busy SSA office while you're dealing with grief. Everyone here has given you great advice about the documents to have ready. One thing I'd add is to make sure you have a comfortable, private space for the call since it can take up to an hour and you'll be discussing some very personal information. Also, if you take any medications that might affect your memory or concentration, consider scheduling the interview for when you're feeling most alert. The representative will walk you through everything step by step - they're specially trained for these sensitive situations. In my case, they completed all the forms electronically during our conversation, and I received an email with electronic signature links about 3 hours later. Never had to touch a single piece of paper. One thing that really helped me was writing down the confirmation number they give you at the end of the call. You'll want to reference that if you need to call back about your application status. The whole process from phone interview to first payment took about 5 weeks for me. You're going to do just fine - take it one step at a time.
Thank you so much for the advice about having a comfortable, private space and scheduling when I'm most alert, AstroExplorer. Those are really thoughtful considerations I hadn't fully thought through. I definitely want to make sure I'm in the right headspace for such an important call. Writing down the confirmation number is an excellent tip too - I can already tell I'll be overwhelmed with information during the call, so having that reference will be crucial. It's so reassuring to hear that your representative was specially trained for these situations and that the electronic process worked so smoothly. The 5-week timeline gives me a good expectation to work with. After reading everyone's detailed experiences and advice, I feel so much more prepared and less anxious about this process. This community has been incredibly supportive during such a difficult time. Thank you all for helping me understand what to expect and for your kindness.
Keisha Thompson
I'm so sorry for your loss, Nora. What you're describing is absolutely legitimate and one of the smartest Social Security strategies available today. You can definitely collect survivor benefits while letting your own retirement benefit grow until age 70. A few key considerations for your situation: - At 62, you'd receive approximately 71.5% of your husband's SSDI amount as your survivor benefit - Your earnings of $19,800 are comfortably under the 2025 limit of $22,320, so you should qualify for full benefits - Your own retirement benefit will earn 8% delayed retirement credits each year from your FRA (67) until age 70, potentially increasing it by 24% The most important thing when you apply: be extremely specific that you want ONLY survivor benefits. Use the exact phrase "I wish to exclude retirement benefits on my own record" to prevent SSA from automatically processing your own benefits, which would eliminate this strategy. I'd recommend calling SSA or visiting a local office to get written benefit estimates for both scenarios - your survivor benefit now and your projected retirement benefit at 70. Having these actual dollar amounts will help you make the most informed decision. This is one of the few remaining "file and suspend" type strategies after the 2015 rule changes, and you're in an ideal position to take advantage of it. Take your time with the decision and don't let anyone pressure you into claiming your own benefits early.
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Paolo Longo
•Thank you so much for this thorough and compassionate response. Having multiple people confirm this strategy with such detailed explanations has really given me the confidence I needed to move forward. The 71.5% figure for survivor benefits at 62 and the potential 24% increase for my own benefits at 70 helps me understand the real impact of this decision. I definitely plan to get those written benefit estimates before making any final choices. It's reassuring to know this is considered one of the smart strategies available - I was worried I was missing something or that it sounded too good to be true. Thank you for emphasizing the importance of being specific with the language when applying. This whole process has felt overwhelming while grieving, but this community has been incredibly supportive and informative.
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Ella Cofer
I'm so sorry for your loss, Nora. What you're asking about is absolutely a legitimate strategy and you're smart to research it thoroughly before making any decisions. You can indeed collect survivor benefits starting at age 60 (you're already 62) while allowing your own retirement benefits to continue growing until age 70. This is one of the few remaining "claim now, claim more later" strategies that survived the 2015 Social Security rule changes. Here's what you need to know for your specific situation: - At 62, your survivor benefit would be about 71.5% of your husband's full SSDI amount due to early claiming reductions - Your current earnings of $19,800 are safely under the 2025 earnings limit of $22,320 for people under Full Retirement Age - Your own retirement benefit will earn 8% delayed retirement credits each year from your FRA (67) until age 70, potentially increasing it by 24% The most critical part of this strategy is being extremely specific when you apply. You must tell SSA that you want to apply ONLY for survivor benefits. Use this exact phrase: "I wish to exclude retirement benefits on my own record." If you don't specify this, they might automatically process your application for all benefits you're eligible for, which would eliminate your ability to let your own benefit grow. I'd strongly recommend getting written benefit estimates from SSA before making your final decision - both for your survivor benefit now and your projected retirement benefit at 70. This will help you see the actual dollar amounts and confirm this approach makes financial sense for your situation. Take your time with this decision and don't let anyone pressure you into claiming your own benefits early. You're in a great position to maximize your lifetime Social Security income.
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Jamal Washington
•This is incredibly helpful and detailed - thank you so much! I really appreciate how you've laid out all the key numbers and percentages. Seeing that my survivor benefit would be 71.5% of my husband's SSDI amount and that my own benefit could potentially grow by 24% by waiting until 70 really helps me understand the financial impact. The specific language "I wish to exclude retirement benefits on my own record" seems to be crucial based on what everyone is saying - I would never have known to use those exact words. Getting those written benefit estimates definitely sounds like the smart next step so I can see the actual dollar amounts rather than just percentages. It's reassuring to hear this called a legitimate strategy that I'm "in a great position" to use. Thank you for the encouragement to take my time with this decision - everything feels so overwhelming right now, but having a clear path forward helps tremendously.
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