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As someone who just went through this process last year, I can share some practical insights that might help with your budgeting concerns. You're absolutely right that the system is confusing, but here's what actually happens: SSA will withhold entire monthly payments, not partial amounts. Based on your $25K estimate against the 2025 earnings limit (likely around $22,560), you're about $2,440 over, which means they'll withhold roughly $1,220 in benefits - probably your first month's payment as you mentioned. If you end up earning MORE than $25K, you have two realistic options: 1) Proactively report the change through your my Social Security account online (much faster than calling) - they'll then withhold additional full monthly payments 2) Wait until after you file taxes, and they'll send an overpayment notice requiring repayment From experience, option 1 is much less stressful. I had to update my estimate twice during my first year, and the online portal made it straightforward. The key is tracking your earnings monthly so you can spot trends early. One critical point: any benefits withheld aren't lost forever. When you reach Full Retirement Age, your monthly benefit gets permanently increased to account for months when benefits were withheld due to the earnings test. So you do eventually get credit for that money. My advice: set up the online account immediately, track earnings monthly, and don't hesitate to update your estimate if you're trending significantly higher. It's much easier than dealing with surprise bills later!
This is incredibly helpful, thank you! I really appreciate you breaking down the actual numbers - knowing that my $25K estimate means roughly one month's payment withheld makes budgeting so much clearer. The reassurance that withheld benefits aren't actually lost forever is huge - I had no idea about the recalculation at FRA that gives you credit for those withheld months. Your point about the online portal being faster than calling really resonates after reading everyone's horror stories about phone wait times. I'm definitely going to set that up this week and start tracking monthly like you suggest. The idea of updating estimates twice in one year initially seemed like I'd be bothering them, but from what you and others have shared, it sounds like that's actually the smart, responsible approach. One quick follow-up: when you updated your estimates mid-year, did the adjustments to withholding start immediately the next month, or was there a delay? I'm trying to understand the timing for planning purposes. Thanks again for sharing such practical, real-world guidance!
I'm facing a very similar situation and this thread has been incredibly enlightening! I'm 63 and starting benefits in February while doing some part-time bookkeeping work. After reading everyone's experiences, I'm now much more prepared for what to expect. The most valuable takeaways I'm getting: - Be conservative with initial estimates (I was planning to estimate $23K but think I'll go with $20K to be safe) - Set up the my Social Security online account immediately for easier tracking and updates - Create a monthly tracking system with quarterly reviews - Report changes proactively rather than waiting until tax time What really stands out is how many people were caught off guard by overpayment notices because they didn't realize how strictly SSA enforces the estimates. The fact that benefits withheld due to earnings test aren't actually "lost" but get credited back through higher payments at FRA is something I never knew - that makes the whole system feel less punitive. One question for those who've been through this: when you're doing the monthly tracking, do you count gross earnings or net after business expenses? For my bookkeeping work, I have some equipment and software costs that reduce my actual income. Thanks to everyone for sharing such detailed real-world experiences - this practical knowledge is so much more valuable than the confusing official materials!
Great question about gross vs net earnings! For the Social Security earnings test, you need to count gross earnings before business expenses. So if you earn $2,000 from bookkeeping but have $200 in equipment/software costs, SSA counts the full $2,000 toward the limit. This is different from how taxes work where you can deduct business expenses. The only expenses that reduce your earnings for SSA purposes are very specific ones like employee wages if you have a business with employees, but personal business expenses like equipment, software, office supplies, etc. don't reduce your countable earnings for the earnings test. This is another reason why being conservative with your estimate is so smart - many people get tripped up thinking they can deduct their business expenses like they do on their taxes, but SSA's rules are different. Your plan to estimate $20K instead of $23K sounds very wise given this! I learned this the hard way during my first year and had to quickly update my estimate when I realized I was counting net instead of gross earnings. The online portal made the correction easy, but it would have been less stressful if I'd known upfront how SSA counts self-employment income.
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I'm in a very similar boat - my wife and I are 62 and 61, and we've been wrestling with this timing decision for months! This thread has been incredibly enlightening. After reading everyone's experiences, I'm leaning toward the simultaneous application approach with proper preparation. The key seems to be having everything documented and being crystal clear about the coordination needs upfront. One thing I'm curious about - for those who used the Open Social Security calculator, did you find it gave you different scenarios to compare? I'm wondering if it might show us the break-even point for waiting longer versus starting early. The 28% reduction Santiago mentioned is pretty eye-opening! Also, has anyone here considered doing a "test run" by calling SSA first to ask questions before actually scheduling the appointment? I'm wondering if that might help identify any potential issues with our specific situation beforehand. Really appreciate everyone sharing their real-world experiences - it's made this whole process feel much less intimidating!
Yes, the Open Social Security calculator is fantastic for comparing different scenarios! It actually shows you multiple options side by side, including break-even analyses that help you understand when waiting longer pays off versus starting early. When I ran our numbers, it showed scenarios for starting at 62, 63, 64, and full retirement age, plus the cumulative benefits over time. What really surprised me was seeing how the break-even point wasn't as far out as I expected - in our case, waiting one more year would break even around age 78, which made the decision clearer. Regarding your "test run" idea - that's actually brilliant! I wish I'd thought of that. You could call and ask hypothetical questions about your situation without committing to anything. It might help you identify any unique aspects of your case that need special attention. The calculator also lets you adjust assumptions about future earnings, cost of living increases, and life expectancy, which helped us feel more confident about our final decision. Definitely worth spending an hour or two playing with different scenarios before you commit to timing!
This thread has been absolutely invaluable! As someone who's been dreading the complexity of coordinating Social Security applications with my spouse, reading through all these real experiences has given me so much confidence. I'm particularly impressed by how this community has provided more practical, actionable advice than countless hours of trying to navigate the SSA website. The insider tips from Jamal about requesting Claims Specialists and asking for same batch dates, combined with everyone's real-world experiences about timing and preparation, have created a roadmap I never would have found elsewhere. The recommendation about the Open Social Security calculator has been a game-changer too - I ran our numbers last night and it's so much more comprehensive than the basic SSA estimator. Being able to see different scenarios side by side really helps with making an informed decision about timing. One thing I want to emphasize for anyone else reading this: the consistent theme seems to be that preparation and being explicit about your needs from the very first interaction makes all the difference. Whether it's bringing the right documents, asking for the right specialist, or clearly stating your coordination requirements upfront - it sounds like these details can save months of headaches later. Thanks to everyone who took the time to share their experiences, especially those who went through recent applications. This kind of peer support and knowledge sharing is exactly what makes online communities so valuable!
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This thread has been incredibly educational! As someone new to Social Security benefits, I had no idea about the difference between the "cash receipt principle" for retirement benefits versus the "when earned" rule for disability benefits. Reading everyone's experiences really highlights how confusing these rules can be, especially when different SSA representatives give conflicting information. What strikes me most is how the timing of reaching FRA in the same year can actually work in your favor with the monthly earnings test versus the annual test. It seems like this is a detail that should be more prominently explained when people first apply for early retirement benefits. The community knowledge here is fantastic - you all understand these nuances better than some of the official representatives! I'm bookmarking this discussion for future reference since I'm sure I'll have more questions as I navigate this system.
I completely agree! As someone who just went through this confusing process myself, I can't emphasize enough how valuable this community discussion has been. The distinction between retirement and disability benefit rules is something I never would have understood without everyone's explanations here. It's really eye-opening to learn about the "cash receipt principle" and how the monthly vs annual earnings test works in your FRA year. You're absolutely right that this information should be much more clearly communicated upfront - it would save so many people from the stress and confusion that comes with getting conflicting answers from different representatives. I feel like I've learned more about these rules from this one thread than from multiple calls to SSA! Welcome to the community, and I hope your Social Security journey goes more smoothly than mine did initially.
This thread has been a lifesaver! I'm in a similar situation where my company laid everyone off right before the holidays, but I didn't get my final paycheck until early January. I've been terrified about getting hit with an overpayment notice since I started collecting benefits early last year. Reading all these explanations about the "cash receipt principle" and how the monthly earnings test works in your FRA year has been incredibly enlightening. It's shocking how many different answers people get from SSA reps on the same issue! I'm reaching my FRA in April, so it sounds like I'll benefit from the monthly limit for the first few months of this year too. Thank you to everyone who shared their knowledge and experiences - this community clearly understands these rules better than many of the official representatives. I feel so much more confident about my situation now!
Welcome to the community, Miguel! It's really reassuring to see how many people have been in similar situations with company closures and delayed final paychecks. Your timing with reaching FRA in April actually works out great - you'll have that higher monthly earnings limit for January through March, and then complete freedom from any earnings restrictions after April. It's incredible how this one thread has provided clearer explanations than multiple calls to SSA could! The "cash receipt principle" was completely new to me too, but it makes perfect sense once you understand it. I hope your situation works out as smoothly as it sounds like it will. This community has been such a valuable resource for navigating these confusing rules!
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This has been such an amazing thread to follow! As someone who's been helping my elderly parents navigate Social Security for the past few years, I can confirm that most of the experiences shared here are very typical. One thing I'd add for anyone just starting this process - if you're concerned about making mistakes on the application, many local senior centers and AARP offices offer free help with Social Security applications. They have volunteers who are really familiar with the process and can help you avoid common pitfalls that might delay your approval. Also, for those worried about the phone system at SSA, the best times to call are usually Tuesday-Thursday between 10am-2pm - you'll still wait, but usually not as long as peak times. The mySSA online account really is a game-changer once you get it set up. Great job everyone sharing such helpful real-world advice!
That's really valuable information about the local resources available for help with applications! I had no idea that senior centers and AARP offices provided that kind of assistance - that could be a huge help for people who are intimidated by the online application process or want to make sure they don't miss anything important. The tip about the best times to call SSA is also really practical. I've been following this thread as someone who's still a year or two away from applying myself, and it's amazing how much useful real-world knowledge has been shared here. It's clear that while the Social Security system has its challenges, there are definitely ways to navigate it more effectively when you know what to expect. Thanks for adding those additional resources - I'm sure many people will find them helpful!
That's excellent advice about the local resources! I'm currently helping my mother-in-law navigate the Social Security application process and didn't know about the assistance available at senior centers and AARP offices. The online application can definitely be overwhelming for people who aren't as comfortable with technology. Your tip about the best calling times is gold - I've spent hours on hold before and never thought about timing it strategically. This whole thread has been incredibly educational. It's amazing how much more practical this real-world advice is compared to the official SSA materials. The combination of timeline expectations, payment schedule explanations, and now these additional support resources really gives a complete picture of what to expect. Thanks for sharing your experience helping your parents through this process!
This thread has been absolutely incredible to read through! As someone who's about 18 months away from applying myself, I feel like I just got a masterclass in Social Security retirement benefits. The real-world timelines, payment schedules, and practical tips everyone has shared are so much more valuable than anything I've found on official government websites. I'm definitely going to start preparing early based on all the advice here - setting up my mySSA account, gathering documents, and understanding the payment schedule based on my birth date (I'll be in the third Wednesday group). The suggestion about local senior center assistance is something I never would have thought of, and the bank notification setup tips will definitely save me anxiety when my time comes. It's amazing how supportive this community is - seeing people share their actual experiences, timelines, and even challenges gives such a realistic picture of what to expect. Thanks to everyone who's contributed to this discussion - you've made this whole process feel so much less intimidating for those of us still preparing to take this step!
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This thread has been incredibly eye-opening! I'm 52 and have been on SSDI for about 6 months due to severe depression and anxiety. I've been terrified to even consider working again because I was convinced I'd immediately lose all my benefits and protections. Reading about the trial work period, extended eligibility period, and Medicare continuation through Ticket to Work has given me hope that maybe I could eventually try again without risking everything. The fact that there are Employment Networks specifically trained to help people with mental health conditions navigate this process is really encouraging. I think my biggest fear has been the "all or nothing" mentality - like I'd have to immediately go back to full-time work or not work at all. But it sounds like the program is designed to let you ease back in gradually, which seems much more realistic for someone dealing with mental health recovery. Thank you everyone for sharing your experiences - this is exactly the kind of real-world information that's so hard to find elsewhere!
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Paolo Moretti
•Giovanni, your comment really resonates with me! I'm also dealing with mental health challenges and had that exact same "all or nothing" fear about returning to work. What you said about the gradual approach being more realistic is so true - the idea of jumping straight back into full-time work felt overwhelming and impossible. Reading everyone's experiences here has been like a lightbulb moment for me too. The fact that you can start small during the trial work period and still keep all your protections takes away so much of that panic about "what if I can't handle it?" I'm definitely going to look into finding an Employment Network that has experience with mental health conditions. It's comforting to know there are people specifically trained to understand that recovery isn't linear and that some days are just going to be harder than others. Thanks for sharing - it helps to know I'm not alone in feeling this way about the whole process!
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Dylan Evans
I'm 61 and have been on SSDI for 5 years due to a combination of physical and mental health issues. This entire discussion has been so helpful! I've been putting off looking into work options because I was worried about the complexity and potential risks to my benefits. But seeing how many people have successfully navigated the Ticket to Work program, especially those with unpredictable conditions, is really encouraging. What strikes me most is how the program seems designed around the reality that disability isn't always black and white - that some of us might be able to work part-time or during good periods, but still need those safety nets. The 9-month trial work period sounds perfect for someone like me who isn't sure what I can handle after being out of work for so long. I'm curious though - for those who've been through the program, how long did it typically take from initial contact with an Employment Network to actually starting work? I know everyone's situation is different, but I'm wondering if this is something that takes months of preparation or if you can start testing the waters relatively quickly once you're enrolled. Also, has anyone here transitioned from SSDI to retirement benefits while still working? I'm wondering how smooth that process is and whether there are any gotchas to watch out for during that transition period.
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Chloe Wilson
•Hi Dylan! Your timeline question is really practical - I was wondering the same thing when I started looking into this. From what I've gathered reading everyone's experiences here, it seems like the process can be quite flexible depending on your readiness and what kind of work you're considering. For the Employment Network piece, it sounds like you could potentially start having conversations and assessments fairly quickly once you call that helpline number (1-866-968-7842) that others mentioned. But the actual timeline to starting work would probably depend on factors like whether you need job training, if you're looking for remote vs in-person work, and how gradually you want to ramp up. I'm also really curious about that SSDI to retirement transition question you asked! At 61, you're getting close to that conversion point, so understanding how that works while still working seems super important. I hope someone who's been through that specific situation can chime in. The "not black and white" point you made really resonates with me too. It's refreshing to learn about a program that seems to acknowledge the reality that many of us might have some work capacity, just not in the traditional full-time way we used to think about employment.
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Cameron Black
•Dylan, I can speak to both of your questions! I went through Ticket to Work starting at age 59 and transitioned to retirement benefits while still working part-time. For the timeline - once I called the helpline and got matched with an Employment Network, I had my first meeting within about 2 weeks. The EN did an assessment of my skills, limitations, and goals, which took maybe 2-3 sessions over a month. I was eager to start testing the waters, so I began looking for very part-time remote work almost immediately after that. From first contact to actually earning my first paycheck was about 6 weeks, but that was because I found something quickly. Others in my EN group took 3-6 months because they needed additional training or were being more selective about opportunities. The SSDI to retirement transition was actually seamless! SSA sent me a letter about 2 months before my 65th birthday explaining that my benefits would automatically convert. My payment amount stayed exactly the same, and since I was already working part-time, nothing changed about my work situation. The only difference was that I no longer had to report my earnings monthly like I did with SSDI - much simpler! The EN continued supporting me through the transition and helped me understand the new earnings rules (no limits after FRA). Definitely don't let the approaching age 65 deadline discourage you from starting - you still have time to benefit from the program!
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