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To answer your follow-up question about the $2,500 PIA - if your ex-wife's PIA is $2,500, then 50% of that would be $1,250. Since your own benefit is $1,425, you wouldn't receive any additional amount because your own benefit is already higher than what you'd get as an ex-spouse (50% of her PIA). One other thing to consider: Check if you might qualify for any other government benefits to supplement your income if you're struggling financially. Programs like SNAP (food stamps), Medicare Savings Programs (which help with Medicare costs), or energy assistance programs might help ease your financial situation.

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Thank you. I see now why I don't qualify. I appreciate everyone's help explaining this. I'll definitely look into those other programs you mentioned. Every little bit helps at this point.

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Hey just wondering - does anyone know if the OP could have done something different? Like if he had waited until Full Retirement Age instead of taking benefits at 65? I'm trying to figure out what to do with my own situation and don't want to make the same mistake!

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Yes, there was a potentially better strategy. Prior to 2016, someone at their Full Retirement Age could file a "restricted application" for just spousal/ex-spousal benefits while letting their own benefit grow until age 70. Unfortunately, the Bipartisan Budget Act of 2015 eliminated this option for anyone born after January 1, 1954. For someone in the original poster's position today, the best strategy would depend on whose record would provide the higher benefit. If their own record would ultimately be higher, waiting until 70 to file would maximize their monthly benefit (though they'd miss several years of payments). If the ex-spouse's record would provide the higher benefit, then timing would depend on when the ex-spouse files and when the maximum spousal benefit would be available.

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One thing to consider - did your ex-husband take his benefits early (before his FRA)? Because if YOU apply at your FRA, you get 50% of his Primary Insurance Amount (what he would get at his FRA), not 50% of his actual benefit if he took reduced benefits. So the calculations can be really confusing.

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Actually that's not right. If her ex took benefits early, that doesn't affect her spousal benefit. Her benefit is based on 50% of his PIA at his full retirement age, regardless of when he claimed. The reduction would only be if SHE claimed early before her own FRA, which she didn't since she mentioned she's at FRA now.

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wait i'm confused...if i'm getting ssi now and my husband retires next year do i get a higher benefit? or do i have to pick one or the other?? we've been married 23 years

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SSI is completely different from retirement benefits. SSI is a needs-based program with very strict asset and income limits. If you're on SSI, any additional income (including spousal Social Security benefits) will reduce your SSI payment dollar for dollar after the first $20. You should talk to an SSA representative about your specific situation.

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just a random thought but did u check if taking your OWN retirement might be better than survivor? my neighbor discovered her own benefit was higher than her husbands!

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This is a good point. You can take one benefit now and switch to the other later if that would maximize your lifetime benefits. For example, some widows take reduced survivor benefits early, then switch to their own maximum retirement benefit at 70. But this depends on your individual circumstances.

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Update: I called back today and got a much more knowledgeable representative. He confirmed that starting in January would indeed reduce my benefit slightly compared to waiting until my FRA in February. He corrected my application to show February 1st as my start date and gave me a confirmation number. Thanks everyone for giving me the confidence to push back!

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Great news! Always trust your gut when dealing with government agencies.

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Perfect! Good job advocating for yourself. This is exactly why it's so important to understand your benefits and options. That small percentage will add up significantly over your lifetime.

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my sister had same problem took 3 months to fix but she got extra $210 per month after they fixed it plus backpay

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Debra Bai

thats a big difference! is that normal? my husband gets way more than me too so maybe i should check on this

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Thank you all for your helpful responses! I finally called SSA again today using the specific terms "spousal benefit computation" as suggested, and got someone who seemed to understand the situation. She confirmed that since my wife was born in 1957, she falls under the deemed filing rules, but because she started receiving her own benefits before I filed, the system didn't automatically compare the benefits. The representative has initiated a review of her case, and preliminary calculations show she should be eligible for about $175 more per month, plus some retroactive payments. They said it will take about 30-45 days to process the adjustment. For anyone else in a similar situation - be persistent and use the specific terminology "spousal benefit computation" when you call!

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Great news! I'm glad you were able to get this resolved. The $175 monthly increase will make a significant difference over time. It's unfortunate that these comparisons don't happen automatically as they should, but your persistence paid off. Thanks for updating us on the outcome!

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i don't understand why the goverment has to take money away from seniors anyways... we worked are whole lives for those benefits!!

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I know right?? But at least they give it back to you when you reach full retirement age. My brother just got there and they recalculated his benefit to account for all the months they reduced it. Got a nice little bump in his monthly check!

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One more important point that hasn't been mentioned: Even if you do exceed your individual earnings limit, the $1 for every $2 reduction isn't as bad as it sounds. Here's why: 1. If you earn $25,400 (which is $2,000 over the $23,400 limit), they would only withhold $1,000 for the year. 2. SSA doesn't take a little from each check - they typically withhold full months of benefits at the beginning of the year until they've satisfied the withholding amount. 3. Most importantly, these aren't permanent reductions. When you reach your Full Retirement Age, SSA will recalculate your benefit and give you credit for the months they withheld, which increases your monthly payment going forward.

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That's really helpful to know. So if I do go over a bit, it's not the end of the world. I might lose a couple months of payments but eventually get compensated through a higher monthly benefit. That makes the whole system seem more reasonable.

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OMG the SS phone system is THE WORST!!! i spent 3 HOURS on hold last month and then got disconnected right when someone picked up!! i was so mad i could've screamed. ended up having to take a day off work to go in person. this is why ppl hate dealing with government agencies!!

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Yuki Ito

Same thing happened to my dad!!! He was on hold for like an hour and a half and then the call dropped. He was trying to fix a mistake they made on his COLA increase. So frustrating!!!

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UPDATE: 1/17 I called the local office right at 9am like someone suggested and was on hold less than 15 minutes! I spoke with the agent for about 5 minutes and got answers to all three of my questions. And I'm really glad I called - my calculations about how the WEP would affect my benefit were off by almost $300/month. Now I have the correct numbers and can make a more informed decision about when to file. Thank you all for the helpful suggestions!

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That's great news! I'm glad you were able to get through and get accurate information. The WEP calculations can be really confusing, and it's always good to have exact figures when planning your retirement. $300/month difference is substantial over the long term!

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So glad it worked out! Early morning really is the key with SSA. And getting the right WEP calculation is critical - many people don't realize how much their non-covered pension can affect their Social Security benefit. Smart move getting this figured out 8 months before you file.

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Raj Gupta

Just to address the question about the "disability freeze" that was mentioned - yes, this is a real thing. It means that the years you're on disability don't count as zero-earning years when calculating your retirement benefit. Instead, SSA essentially ignores those years so they don't drag down your average lifetime earnings. This is why your benefit amount stays the same when SSDI converts to retirement.

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TechNinja

Well maybe on PAPER but when mine converted I got LESS money!!! No one at SSA could explain why but they insisted it was "correctly calculated" 🙄

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Thank you everyone for all this helpful information! I'm going to try calling SSA again to ask specifically about the spousal benefit top-up. I'm also going to talk to my husband about checking his PIA so we can figure out if 50% of his would be more than my current SSDI payment. It sounds like there's nothing I need to do about the SSDI to retirement conversion which is a relief!

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Good plan! One more tip - when you do call SSA, make sure to ask about the "deemed filing" rules too. Since you're already on SSDI, the rules work a bit differently, but it's important to understand how applying for one benefit might automatically trigger application for other benefits you're eligible for.

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I dont know why people are telling you to delay benefits. My sister and her husband waited and now regret it. They could have traveled more when they were younger and healthier. Money now is worth more than money later! TAKE IT NOW and enjoy life while you can!!!

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This is actually a very personal decision that depends on many factors: financial needs, health status, family longevity, other income sources, etc. Mathematically, delaying benefits provides insurance against longevity - you'll get more total money if you live beyond the break-even age (usually early 80s). But quality of life considerations like your sister's are equally valid. There's no universal right answer.

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quick question - does your husband have any pensions from government jobs? if yes make sure you look into WEP and GPO rules those can really mess up your SS benefits

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No government pensions for either of us, thankfully! I've heard those WEP/GPO rules can be quite complicated.

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I just realized something else - does it matter that I'm still working part-time? Will that affect when I should start benefits or is the earnings test gone once I reach 70?

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Good question! Once you reach your Full Retirement Age (FRA), which is age 66-67 depending on your birth year, the earnings test no longer applies. Since you're turning 70, you can earn unlimited income without any reduction in your Social Security benefits. Your benefits will be at their maximum amount at age 70, with all delayed retirement credits included.

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one other thing to consider is taxes. if ur still working ur ss will probably be taxed so make sure ur withholding enough or maybe making quarterly payments. i got hit with a big tax bill my first year on ss because of this

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That's a really good point I hadn't considered. I'll talk to my tax person about whether I need to adjust my withholding. Thanks for the heads up!

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After reviewing everything more carefully, here's what will likely happen in your case: 1. January counts as a month where you exceeded the limit ($4,000 vs $1,950) 2. If you stay under $1,950 for all remaining months of 2025 AND work part-time, you'll only have January counted against you 3. SSA will likely withhold your February payment (the first one) to account for the January excess 4. Starting March, as long as you stay under the monthly limit, you should receive regular payments But as others have suggested, it's essential to confirm this with SSA directly regarding your specific case.

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Thank you for breaking it down so clearly. This makes a lot of sense. I'll definitely get confirmation from SSA, but this helps me understand what to expect.

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EVERYBODY'S SITUATION IS DIFFERENT!! My friend and I both started survivors benefits within a month of each other and SSA treated our earnings completely differently. Don't assume what happened to someone else will happen to you.

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This is so true! My sister and I both get SSDI and they calculated our benefits totally differently even though our situations seemed similar. The system feels completely random sometimes.

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