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One thing I haven't seen mentioned yet is that you might want to consider having your tax preparer or accountant help you calculate the right withholding percentage before you submit the W-4V form. Since you mentioned your accountant already flagged the underpayment issue, they probably have all your income details and can run scenarios to see which percentage (7%, 10%, 12%, or 22%) gets you closest to breaking even. It might be worth the consultation fee to avoid another big surprise next year. Also, keep in mind that if your pension or other income changes during the year, you may need to adjust your withholding accordingly.

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That's really smart advice about involving the accountant! Since they already know your full financial picture and caught the underpayment issue, they'd be the perfect person to run those scenarios. It would definitely be worth a small consultation fee to get the withholding percentage right from the start rather than guessing and potentially facing another big tax bill. Plus, as you mentioned, if anything changes with the pension or other income during the year, they'd know exactly how to adjust. Thanks for that perspective!

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As someone new to this community, I want to thank everyone for such detailed and helpful responses! I'm in a similar situation - just started receiving SS benefits and completely overlooked the tax withholding aspect. Reading through all these comments has been incredibly educational. A few things I'm taking away: 1) The W-4V form with only 4 percentage options (7%, 10%, 12%, 22%), 2) The 1-2 month processing delay, 3) The importance of considering your total income picture, and 4) That certified mail or hand delivery might be the safest way to submit. I'm definitely going to use the IRS Withholding Estimator tool and possibly consult with a tax professional before choosing my percentage. This thread should honestly be pinned as a resource for new SS recipients!

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@Zoe Alexopoulos You can now submit your tax withholding request online through your social security online account. I just did mine a few days ago as I m'just starting social security. I also submitted a tax withholding request for my husbands s'account. Very quick and easy and you get a confirmation notice in your messages "section."

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I'm so sorry for your loss, Christian. I went through this process about 8 months ago when my wife passed away, and I can confirm that your passport will absolutely work. I was in a very similar situation - couldn't locate my birth certificate and was worried about delays. The SSA representative explained that a valid US passport is actually one of their strongest forms of identification because it proves both citizenship and identity simultaneously. Your Real ID alone won't be sufficient since it doesn't establish citizenship status, but the passport covers everything they need. A few things that helped streamline my appointment: - I organized all documents in a folder beforehand (passport, death certificate, marriage certificate, his SS card) - Brought copies of everything in addition to originals - Had our joint bank account information ready for direct deposit setup - Made sure to schedule an appointment rather than walk in The staff was very compassionate and understanding during what was obviously a difficult time. My entire appointment took about 50 minutes, and my first survivor benefit payment arrived about 6 weeks later. Don't let the missing birth certificate delay you from getting the financial support you're entitled to. The passport is more than adequate, and starting this process sooner will help with your financial stability during this transition. Wishing you strength during this challenging time.

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Thank you so much, Zara. I'm so sorry for your loss as well. Your detailed breakdown of what helped streamline the appointment is incredibly valuable. I really appreciate you taking the time to share such specific advice - organizing everything in a folder with copies, having bank info ready, and scheduling ahead all make perfect sense. It's reassuring to hear that 50 minutes and 6 weeks for first payment seems to be the typical experience from everyone who has shared. This thread has honestly been a lifeline for me during such a difficult time. Everyone's willingness to share their experiences and offer support has transformed what felt like an overwhelming bureaucratic nightmare into something manageable. Thank you for the encouragement and practical guidance!

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I'm so sorry for your loss, Christian. I went through this exact situation when my husband passed away last year, and I can definitely confirm that your passport will work perfectly for the survivor benefits application. SSA accepted mine without any issues at all. A few things that made the process easier for me: - Called ahead to schedule an appointment and confirmed document requirements - Brought organized copies of everything (they kept copies of all documents) - Had my husband's Social Security number and our bank routing information written down clearly - Brought our most recent joint tax return as additional verification The appointment took about an hour and the representative was very patient and understanding. My benefits started about 7 weeks later. Don't let the missing birth certificate delay you - the passport is actually better since it proves both citizenship and age in one document. The hardest part is just getting started, but once you have that appointment scheduled, the rest follows pretty smoothly. You're doing the right thing by moving forward now rather than waiting for a replacement birth certificate. Thinking of you during this difficult time.

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This is such a complex but important decision! I've been following this thread and wanted to add a few practical considerations that might help: Since you mentioned your boyfriend is 62, have you discussed when he plans to claim his Social Security? If he delays claiming until his Full Retirement Age (66-67) or even until 70, his benefit amount will be higher, which would increase any spousal benefits you might receive later. Also, I'd strongly recommend getting a copy of your late husband's Social Security earnings record and your boyfriend's earnings record (he can request his own through ssa.gov). Having the actual numbers will make it much easier to run scenarios and see what the real dollar difference would be. One more thing - if you do decide to wait until 60, consider having a "commitment ceremony" or celebration before then if that feels important to you both. Many couples in similar situations have found creative ways to mark their commitment while preserving the financial benefits of waiting for the legal marriage. The fact that you're asking these questions now shows you're being really smart about this. Whatever you decide, make sure you're both on the same page about the financial implications and timeline.

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This is all such valuable information! Thank you everyone for sharing your experiences and insights. I think I'm leaning toward waiting until 60 to legally marry, even though it feels a bit strange to let government rules dictate our timeline. @Sofia Perez - great point about getting the actual earnings records. My boyfriend hasn t'claimed his benefits yet and we haven t'really discussed his strategy. I should probably understand his claiming timeline too since that could affect spousal benefits down the road. The commitment ceremony idea is really sweet - we could still have a celebration with family and friends while waiting for the legal paperwork. That might help with the emotional aspect of having to wait. I m'definitely going to create that spreadsheet someone mentioned and try to get through to SSA to run some actual numbers. This decision is too important to make without understanding the real financial impact. Thank you all for helping me think through this systematically!

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I'm going through something very similar right now! I'm 53, been receiving survivor benefits for 4 years, and my partner and I have been discussing marriage timing for the same reasons. What really helped me was calling SSA and asking them to mail me a benefit verification letter that shows exactly what I'm currently receiving monthly. Then I could do the math - if I'm getting $2,800/month in survivor benefits, that's $33,600 per year, which means waiting until 60 would preserve about $235,000 over 7 years. That made the decision much clearer! Also, I learned that even if you remarry after 60, you don't have to immediately switch to spousal benefits. You can continue receiving survivor benefits and then evaluate your options when you reach full retirement age to see which benefit would be highest. One practical tip - if you call SSA, ask them to walk you through a "what if" scenario. They can tell you exactly what would happen to your current benefits if you remarried on a specific date. Getting that official confirmation really helped ease my anxiety about making the wrong choice. The waiting isn't easy emotionally, but knowing we're securing our financial future together makes it feel worth it. Good luck with whatever you decide!

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This is exactly the kind of real-world example I needed to see! Thank you for sharing the actual dollar amounts - $235,000 over 7 years really puts it in perspective. I hadn't thought about requesting a benefit verification letter, but that's such a smart way to get the exact numbers for calculations. I really appreciate you mentioning that you don't have to immediately switch benefit types after remarrying at 60+. Having that flexibility to continue survivor benefits and then reassess at full retirement age sounds like a huge advantage. The "what if" scenario call with SSA is brilliant - I'm definitely going to do that. Getting official confirmation about exactly what would happen on specific dates would give me so much more confidence in whatever decision we make. It's reassuring to hear from someone going through the same situation. The emotional side really is challenging, but you're right that securing our financial future together makes the wait worthwhile. Thanks for the encouragement!

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As a new member here, I've been following this discussion with great interest since I'm in a very similar situation. I'm a high school math teacher in Texas with 26 years in TRS, and my husband will be eligible for Social Security next year. What strikes me most about this conversation is how much uncertainty still exists even after the 2024 reforms passed. It sounds like we're all in this waiting period where we know things will be better, but the exact details are still being worked out by SSA. I wanted to add one resource that might be helpful - the National Education Association (NEA) has been tracking these WEP/GPO changes closely and has some good explainer materials on their website. They've been advocating for these reforms for years, so their resources tend to be written specifically for educators rather than the general public. Also, for anyone planning retirement timing around these changes, don't forget to factor in your state's specific retirement eligibility rules. In Texas, I need to meet the "rule of 80" (age plus years of service) to retire with full benefits, which might influence when it makes sense to claim Social Security benefits versus when I can actually afford to stop working. The complexity is overwhelming, but it's encouraging to see a community where we can share information and learn from each other's research. Thank you to everyone who's contributed such detailed insights!

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Thank you for mentioning the NEA resources! As someone just joining this community, I really appreciate how everyone has been sharing both personal experiences and practical resources. The point about state-specific retirement rules is so important - I hadn't considered how those might interact with the timing of Social Security benefits. Your mention of Texas TRS and the "rule of 80" got me thinking about how many different variables we all have to juggle when planning retirement as teachers. It's not just the federal WEP/GPO changes, but also our individual state pension systems, spousal Social Security timing, and our own financial readiness to stop working. The uncertainty you mentioned really resonates with me. It feels like we're all trying to plan for retirement with half the information we need! But discussions like this one are so valuable for piecing together a clearer picture from everyone's research and experiences. I'm going to check out those NEA resources you mentioned - having materials written specifically for educators rather than generic Social Security guidance sounds incredibly helpful. Thank you for that tip! It's amazing how this thread started with one person's question about Ohio STRS and has expanded to help teachers from so many different states understand these changes better.

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As a newcomer to this community, I'm absolutely blown away by the depth of knowledge and support shared in this discussion! I'm a speech therapist in a public school district in North Carolina, and like many of you, I don't pay into Social Security - we have the state retirement system instead. My husband works in the private sector and is planning to claim his Social Security benefits in the next few years. I had completely given up hope of ever receiving spousal benefits due to GPO, so reading about the 2024 changes and especially that guaranteed 40% minimum has been eye-opening. The strategic timing considerations that have been discussed here - like waiting until full retirement age to avoid stacking early claiming penalties on top of GPO reductions - are exactly the kind of practical insights I needed but couldn't find anywhere else. One thing I'm curious about that I haven't seen mentioned: do these WEP/GPO reforms affect disability benefits at all? I know it's not directly related to spousal retirement benefits, but as we're all getting older and thinking about various "what-if" scenarios, I wondered if anyone has looked into whether the changes extend to spousal disability benefits as well. Thank you all for creating such an incredibly informative resource. This discussion has given me hope and a clear action plan for researching my own situation. I'll definitely be checking my Social Security statement for any covered quarters and reaching out to our state retirement system for NC-specific guidance!

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Just wanted to add something that helped me tremendously when I was in a similar situation - consider reaching out to your local Center for Independent Living (CIL). They often have benefits counselors who work closely with WIPA programs and can provide ongoing support as you navigate working while on benefits. Also, since you mentioned your doctors think part-time work might help your mental health, make sure to document that recommendation. If SSA ever questions your work activity during a review, having medical documentation showing that limited work was actually part of your treatment plan can be really helpful. One practical tip: when you do start working, consider asking your employer about flexible scheduling. Many part-time positions can work with you on consistent hours that keep you safely under the earnings thresholds. Some employers are also familiar with hiring people on disability benefits and understand the importance of staying within the limits. Good luck with your WIPA consultation! You're taking exactly the right approach by getting proper guidance before making any moves.

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This is really great advice about documenting the medical recommendation for work! I hadn't thought about how that could protect me during future reviews. My psychiatrist has actually mentioned that structured activity and social interaction from work could be beneficial for my depression, which is secondary to my physical disability. I should definitely get that in writing. The Center for Independent Living suggestion is perfect too - I'll look into what's available in my area. Having ongoing support beyond just the initial WIPA consultation sounds incredibly valuable, especially as I navigate the actual implementation. And the flexible scheduling point is something I need to keep in mind when job hunting. I was thinking about retail or food service since those seem most available for part-time work, but I should probably prioritize employers who understand disability accommodation needs and consistent hour requirements over just any available position. Thanks for the practical perspective - it's helping me think beyond just the numbers and rules to the real-world logistics of making this work successfully.

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@Zara Rashid The documentation point is so important! I wish I had known this earlier. When I started my part-time work journey, I was only focused on the financial aspects and didn t'think about the medical paper trail. One thing to add - if you do get that recommendation in writing from your psychiatrist, make sure it specifically mentions things like limited "hours, structured" "environment, or" part-time "capacity if" that s'what they re'recommending. The more specific the better for potential future reviews. Also, regarding employer types - you might want to consider looking into companies that specifically participate in disability hiring initiatives. Some larger retailers like Walmart, Target, and grocery chains have formal programs for hiring people with disabilities and their HR departments are usually well-versed in accommodation needs and benefits considerations. They re'often more understanding about consistent scheduling requirements. Libraries, community centers, and non-profit organizations can also be great options for part-time work with flexible, understanding employers. Just a thought as you re'planning your job search strategy!

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As someone who's been successfully working part-time while on SSDI for about 18 months now, I wanted to share a few lessons learned that might help: 1) **Start small and track everything** - I began with just 10-12 hours per week earning around $600/month, well below any thresholds. This gave me confidence in the system before gradually increasing. 2) **Use SSA's online reporting** - The my Social Security portal lets you report wages online, which creates an automatic paper trail. I screenshot every submission for my records. 3) **Don't forget about taxes** - Working while on SSDI can affect your tax situation. If your combined income (SSDI + work earnings) exceeds certain thresholds, part of your SSDI becomes taxable. Factor this into your planning. 4) **Consider seasonal work patterns** - Some months I earn more, some less, which helps me stay under annual limits while maximizing income during busy periods. The mental health benefits you mentioned are real! Having structure, social interaction, and feeling productive again has been incredibly positive for my overall well-being. The key is just being methodical about the financial side so you can focus on the therapeutic benefits. Your plan to meet with WIPA first is perfect. They helped me understand nuances I never would have figured out on my own.

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