Social Security calculation confusion - 30 or 35 years of earnings needed for maximum benefits?

You're mixing up two different things. The 35 years is correct for regular SS retirement benefits - SSA uses your highest 35 years of earnings to calculate your benefit amount. If you don't have 35 years, they'll use zeros for the missing years, which lowers your average. The 30 years of "substantial earnings" refers to something different - it's related to the Windfall Elimination Provision (WEP), which affects people who worked jobs where they didn't pay into Social Security (like some government jobs). If you have 30+ years of substantial covered earnings under Social Security, the WEP reduction doesn't apply to you.

The article is correct about the 35 years. Social Security retirement benefits are based on your highest 35 years of indexed earnings. If you only worked 31 years, then yes, 4 zeros will be factored into your average, which will lower your benefit somewhat. The 30 years you're thinking of relates to the Windfall Elimination Provision (WEP), which is something completely different that affects people who worked in jobs not covered by Social Security (like certain government jobs). If you have 30+ years of substantial earnings under Social Security, you're exempt from WEP reductions. Have you created a my Social Security account at ssa.gov? It will show you your earnings history and give you a benefit estimate based on your actual work record.

the article is right, its 35 yrs, sorry :( they take ur best 35 yrs and if u dont have 35 they put in zeros for the missing yrs. i only worked 28 yrs total cause of health issues and my benefit is reduced cuz of it

Wait, so now I'm REALLY confused!!! I thought it was 40 quarters (10 years) to qualify for Social Security??? Now you're saying I need 35 years??? I've only worked about 25 years total my whole life - does that mean my SS check will be TINY??? I'm freaking out a little because I'm 59 and planned to retire at 62!

I struggled with this exact same confusion when I was planning my retirement! What I learned after HOURS on the phone with SSA (literally waited 3+ hours once): - YES, they use your top 35 years for the calculation - YES, they use $0 for any missing years if you have fewer than 35 - BUT it might not impact your benefit as much as you think In my case, my early working years were at such low wages compared to my later career that replacing those $0 years would have only increased my benefit by about $50/month. I decided it wasn't worth working 4 more years just for that small increase. If you're really struggling to get through to SSA to ask specific questions about your situation, I recommend trying Claimyr (claimyr.com). They got me connected to a real person at SSA in under 10 minutes after I had wasted days trying on my own. They have a video showing how it works: https://youtu.be/Z-BRbJw3puU

BOTH articles are correct - 35 years for benefit calculation AND 30 years for WEP. Very different things! I worked as a teacher in a non-SS state for 15 years, then in SS-covered jobs for 25 years. I got hit with WEP reduction because I didn't have the full 30 years of substantial earnings to be exempt from WEP. BUT my regular SS calc also had 10 years of zeros (35-25=10). Double whammy!!

To give you a more precise understanding: Your Social Security Primary Insurance Amount (PIA) is based on your Average Indexed Monthly Earnings (AIME) from your 35 highest-earning years. If you have fewer than 35 years, zeros are included in the calculation. The impact of those zeros depends on your earnings history. For someone with 31 years of steady earnings at the national average wage, having 4 years of zeros might reduce their benefit by approximately 11-13%. However, if your earnings were higher in your working years, the percentage reduction would be less significant. You can use the detailed calculator at SSA.gov to see exactly how different retirement ages and additional working years would affect your benefit amount. Look for the "Retirement Estimator" or the more detailed "Detailed Calculator" (which can be downloaded).

my sis works at SSA and she said sometimes its better to just take ss at 62 even with less years worked cuz u collect for longer, depends on ur health n stuff

Another thing to keep in mind - those zeros might not be as bad as you think. If your early career earnings were low (like mine were when I was waiting tables in the 80s), those years might not contribute much to your calculation anyway. The indexing they do tends to favor your later higher-earning years. So 4 zeros instead of 4 years of low earnings might only make a small difference.

One clarification on the 35 years: it's not just any 35 years - the SSA indexes your earnings for inflation and then takes the highest 35 years. So your $20,000 salary from 1990 might count as $45,000+ in today's dollars when they do the calculation. This is why it sometimes makes sense to work longer even past 35 years - if your current earnings are significantly higher than your early career earnings (even after indexing), you can replace lower-earning years with higher-earning years and increase your benefit amount.