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I'm completely confused about my widow benefits situation. My husband passed away last year, and I'm trying to figure out if I should apply for widow benefits when I turn 60 next month or wait until my full retirement age (67). I've been on the SSA website for hours and I'm more confused than when I started! Here's my situation: At my full retirement age, my Social Security benefit would be around $2,800/month based on my own work record. My late husband's benefit at his FRA would have been about $3,200/month. I know widows typically get 100% of their spouse's benefit at FRA, but what I don't understand is: since my own benefit is higher than 50% of his, does that disqualify me from widow benefits entirely? Or can I still claim widow benefits at 60 and then switch to my own higher benefit at 67? The SSA website has so much information about different rules and exceptions that I can't figure out what applies to me. Any advice would be so appreciated!
I started receiving Social Security retirement benefits last year at 63, but I'm still under FRA. I own mineral rights on some land in Texas and get quarterly royalty payments from Wells Oil Company. The amounts vary between $800-1200 per quarter depending on production. My question is: do these royalty payments count toward the earnings limit ($21,240 for 2025)? I also work part-time making about $15,000/year. My tax guy is on vacation and I'm worried about going over the limit and having benefits reduced. The SSA website isn't clear about whether royalties are considered "earnings" for this purpose. Anyone know for sure?
Thanks everyone for the helpful responses! I feel much more comfortable now understanding that my oil royalties don't count toward the earnings test since they're passive income. I'll stick with my part-time job making $15K which keeps me well under the $21,240 limit. Really appreciate this community!
Just wanted to add some additional context for anyone else reading this thread. While royalties from mineral rights generally don't count toward the Social Security earnings limit, it's important to understand WHY this is the case. The earnings test specifically looks at income from "substantial gainful activity" - meaning work you actively perform. Passive royalties are considered unearned income because you're not providing ongoing services to earn them. However, if you're actively involved in managing the mineral extraction (like making operational decisions, negotiating contracts, etc.), that could potentially change the classification. Also worth noting: even though royalties don't count for the earnings test, they ARE still reportable income for tax purposes and may affect the taxation of your Social Security benefits depending on your total income level. So while you don't need to worry about benefit reduction due to the earnings test, you might still want to plan for potential tax implications. Glad you found clarity on this issue - it's definitely one of the more confusing aspects of Social Security rules!
Hi everyone, I've been trying to figure out my retirement situation with these recent WEP changes. I've earned 40 credits with Social Security from working in the private sector, plus I have 18 years in the Teacher Retirement System (TRS) and have met the Rule of 80 for TRS (age + years of service). With this new legislation repealing the Windfall Elimination Provision, am I understanding correctly that I can now receive my FULL Social Security benefit without any reduction, plus receive my full TRS pension? I've heard so many conflicting things about this and the SSA website isn't very clear. Has anyone else in a similar situation received clarification from an SSA rep? Thanks for any help!
Thanks everyone for all this information! Just to clarify my situation a bit more - I'll be turning 66 and 8 months (my FRA) in July 2025, which happens to be right when the WEP repeal starts phasing in. Based on the advice here, I think I'll plan to delay filing for SS until September or October 2025 to give SSA time to implement the changes and to get that little boost for delaying. I won't delay too long though since the WEP will only be partially phased out initially. My TRS pension will start earlier since I've already met the Rule of 80. I really appreciate everyone's insights!
As someone who's been navigating federal benefits for years, I wanted to add that it's really important to keep detailed records during this transition period. I'd recommend creating a folder with: 1) Your most recent SS statement showing your projected benefits, 2) Documentation of your TRS service years and pension calculation, 3) Any correspondence you receive from SSA about WEP changes. Also, consider setting up a my Social Security account online if you haven't already - they'll likely post updates there first. The timing advice about waiting until fall 2025 to file sounds very smart given the implementation challenges they're facing. This is such a huge win for educators and public servants who've been unfairly penalized for decades!
I started getting my Social Security retirement benefits in February 2025 and everything seemed normal with my first direct deposit. But today I received a separate check from SSA for $257.60, which is exactly what my Medicare Part B premium is supposed to be. There wasn't any letter explaining it or breakdown of the amount - just the check itself. I'm confused because I thought Medicare was supposed to be deducted FROM my SS payment, not sent to me as a separate check. Did something get messed up with my enrollment? Is this a refund? Do I need to call SSA about this or is it somehow normal? I'm worried about cashing it if it's a mistake. Anyone had something similar happen with Medicare premiums?
This thread is exactly what I needed to find as someone who's completely new to navigating Medicare and Social Security! I'm still about 18 months away from my own enrollment, but reading through @Javier Torres's entire experience from that initial panic about an unexpected check to getting clear answers from SSA has been incredibly educational. What really stands out to me is how many community members have shared nearly identical experiences - it shows that these coordination hiccups between Medicare and SSA systems are actually quite normal during enrollment transitions rather than rare system errors to worry about. The Claimyr tip is going straight into my preparation notes since getting through to government agencies by phone seems to be such a universal challenge. Thank you to everyone who contributed their real-world experiences here. This is exactly the kind of practical community knowledge that makes complex government processes feel much more manageable for those of us preparing for our own journey through the Medicare enrollment maze!
This has been such a helpful thread to read through as someone who's completely new to this community and the Medicare enrollment process! I'm still about 3 years away from eligibility, but seeing @Javier Torres share his complete journey from that initial confusion about the unexpected check all the way to getting clear resolution from SSA has been incredibly educational. What really reassures me is learning that these coordination issues between Medicare and Social Security systems are actually quite common during new enrollments rather than major errors to panic about. The fact that so many community members have experienced nearly identical situations really shows this is just a normal part of how these government systems handle enrollment transitions when timing doesn't align perfectly. I'm definitely saving the Claimyr tip for future reference - it sounds like a lifesaver for actually getting through to SSA without those notorious long hold times. Thanks to everyone who shared their real experiences here. This kind of community knowledge makes navigating government services feel so much less intimidating for newcomers like me who are trying to learn what to actually expect!
Just found out I owe my Long Term Disability insurance company about $75,000 after getting approved for SSDI. The retroactive payment from Social Security triggered this huge 'overpayment' since my LTD policy reduced benefits dollar-for-dollar with SSDI. They've offered a payment plan where I can choose the monthly amount, and I've started with $950/month which will take me over 6 years to pay off! Has anyone successfully negotiated a lump sum settlement for less than the full amount? I've heard rumors that some insurance companies will accept 60-70% of the total if paid all at once, but I'm hesitant to drain my savings without knowing if this actually works. How do you even approach that conversation? What's a reasonable percentage to offer without insulting them and ruining my chances?
One time i had to deal with social security office for like 3 weeks trying to get them to fix a mistake on my record... never again!!! They kept transfering me to different departments and nobody knew anything.
Another important tip: If you negotiate a settlement, get a "Payment in Full" settlement letter BEFORE sending any money. The letter should clearly state that your payment constitutes complete satisfaction of the debt with no further obligation. I've seen cases where people paid the negotiated amount but the company later claimed it was just a "partial payment" because the paperwork wasn't clear.
Excellent point! I'll definitely make sure to get this in writing first. Would an email confirmation be sufficient, or should I ask for a formal letter on company letterhead?
I'd strongly recommend getting a formal letter on company letterhead rather than just an email. Email can be harder to enforce legally if there are disputes later. The formal settlement letter should include specific language like "upon receipt of $X, [Company Name] agrees this payment constitutes full and final settlement of all claims related to account #[your account number], with no further amounts owed." Keep the original letter with your important documents - you may need it for tax purposes too since forgiven debt can sometimes be taxable.
Mateo Silva
One more important detail - when planning your strategy, remember that your own retirement benefit continues to grow until age 70 (at 8% per year after FRA), but survivor benefits do NOT grow after your FRA. This means there's no advantage to delaying widow benefits past your full retirement age of 67. In your case, taking reduced widow benefits at 60, then switching to your own benefit at 67 (or even 70 for maximum growth) is likely the optimal strategy given the benefit amounts you mentioned. At age 70, your own benefit would be about $3,472/month compared to the $3,200 survivor benefit at FRA.
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Michael Green
AuthorThank you so much for explaining that! I didn't know my own benefit could grow until 70. That makes me even more confident in the strategy of taking widow benefits now and switching later. Everyone has been so helpful here - I wish the SSA website explained things this clearly!
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Amara Eze
I'm so sorry for your loss, Michael. Losing a spouse is incredibly difficult, and trying to navigate Social Security on top of grief is overwhelming. You're absolutely right to be confused - the SSA website is not user-friendly at all! But the good news is that you DO qualify for widow benefits regardless of your own benefit amount. The 50% rule only applies to spousal benefits while both spouses are alive, not survivor benefits. Your strategy of taking reduced widow benefits at 60 and switching to your own higher benefit at 67 is actually textbook perfect for your situation. You'll get about $2,288/month in reduced widow benefits ($3,200 x 71.5%) for 7 years, then switch to your own $2,800/month at 67. If you wait until 70 to claim your own benefit, it would grow to about $3,472/month. The key is making sure SSA processes everything correctly when you switch. As others mentioned, get everything in writing and follow up to confirm the change went through. You've got this!
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