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I'm planning to apply for early Social Security at 62 next year as well, so this thread has been incredibly helpful! I wanted to add one thing that my neighbor mentioned when she went through this process - make sure to check if your state taxes Social Security benefits. Some states don't tax SS income at all, while others do. This could affect your overall financial planning, especially since you'll already be dealing with federal taxes on your benefits given your combined income level. It might be worth factoring this into your budget calculations alongside the federal tax implications others have mentioned. Also, I noticed someone mentioned the Annual Earnings Test earlier - just want to emphasize that this only applies while you're under Full Retirement Age. Once you hit your FRA (which will be around 67 for you), you can earn unlimited amounts without any benefit reduction. So if you can manage to keep working part-time until then, you'll have more flexibility later. Good luck with your application process! The community advice here has been amazing - I'm definitely bookmarking this thread for when I start my own application.

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Great point about state taxes on Social Security benefits! I hadn't even thought about that aspect. I'm in a state that doesn't tax SS benefits, which is a relief given how tight my budget will be. For others reading this, it's definitely worth checking your state's policy since it could make a meaningful difference in your take-home amount. The reminder about the Annual Earnings Test ending at Full Retirement Age is encouraging too. Even though I need to start at 62, knowing I'll have more earning flexibility when I hit 67 gives me some hope for improving my financial situation over time. Thanks for mentioning you're bookmarking this thread - I am too! There's been so much valuable real-world advice here that I know I'll want to reference again as I get closer to November 2025. It's reassuring to know others are going through similar planning processes.

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One additional resource that might be helpful - the SSA has a retirement estimator tool that's separate from your my Social Security account. You can access it without logging in and play around with different scenarios (like what your benefit would be at different retirement ages, or how continuing to work affects your benefits). It's not as precise as your actual earnings record, but it can help you model different "what if" scenarios as you finalize your decision to retire at 62. Sometimes seeing the numbers laid out in different ways helps confirm you're making the right choice for your situation. Also, since you mentioned your job is getting physically difficult, you might want to document any work-related health issues with your doctor. While you're planning to take regular retirement benefits, if your condition worsens significantly, you could potentially have options for disability benefits which aren't reduced for age. It's probably not necessary in your case, but having medical documentation never hurts. The advice everyone's given here about starting the application process in November 2025 and gathering documents early is spot-on. You sound like you have a solid plan and realistic expectations about the benefit reduction. Best of luck with the process!

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That retirement estimator tool sounds really useful! I'll definitely check that out to run some scenarios. Even though I'm pretty confident about starting at 62, it would be good to see the numbers laid out in different ways to confirm my decision. Your point about documenting health issues is smart advice too. My job involves a lot of physical labor and my back and knees are definitely showing the wear. I hadn't thought about keeping medical records of work-related issues, but you're right that it's good to have that documentation just in case my situation changes. This whole thread has been incredibly helpful - I feel so much more prepared now than when I first posted. I've got my timeline (November 2025), my document gathering list, and a much better understanding of the process. Thanks to everyone who shared their experiences and advice!

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I'm so sorry for your loss. This is such a difficult time, and navigating Social Security benefits while grieving adds another layer of stress that no family should have to deal with. What you're experiencing is actually quite common, and I want to reassure you that both your mom and your father's widow are likely eligible for survivor benefits without one affecting the other. The Social Security system is designed to handle exactly these situations - it recognizes that people have complex family histories and that multiple people can have legitimate claims based on the same work record. Since both marriages lasted over 10 years and your mom never remarried before age 60, she meets the key eligibility requirements for divorced spouse survivor benefits. Your father's widow also clearly qualifies for widow's benefits. The important thing to understand is that these benefits come from different "buckets" in the system - they're calculated independently and don't reduce each other. I'd suggest encouraging both women to contact SSA sooner rather than later, as there can be protective filing date benefits. When they call, they should ask specifically about their individual benefit estimates and the optimal timing for filing, since they're different ages and may have different financial situations. Most importantly, try to help both sides understand that this isn't about who "deserves" benefits more - both women contributed to your father's life during their respective marriages, and he paid into Social Security with the expectation it would provide security for his eligible family members. This is the system working exactly as it was designed to. You're doing an amazing job helping both sides navigate this during such a painful time. This really doesn't have to become another source of family conflict - with the right information and approach, it can be resolved straightforwardly.

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Thank you so much for this comprehensive explanation, Lydia. Your point about the benefits coming from different "buckets" in the system is really helpful - I hadn't heard it described that way before, but it makes perfect sense. I think that analogy will really help both my mom and his widow understand why one doesn't affect the other. The protective filing date issue is something several people have mentioned now, so I'll definitely make sure both of them ask about that right away when they contact SSA. I really appreciate your emphasis on this being the system working as designed rather than some kind of exception or problem. That perspective has been so helpful throughout this thread - it changes the whole emotional tone from something that feels like a conflict to something that feels like appropriate recognition of both relationships. You're absolutely right that my father paid into Social Security expecting it would provide security for his eligible family members, and that's exactly what's happening here. I feel much more confident now about helping both women navigate this process without it becoming a source of additional family stress during an already difficult time.

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I'm so sorry for your loss. Having gone through this exact situation when my grandmother passed away (she had been divorced from my grandfather for over 20 years, but he had remarried), I can tell you that you're getting excellent advice here. Both women absolutely can receive survivor benefits independently - it's not a competition or a limited pool of money. One thing I learned that might help reduce the family tension is that the Social Security Administration actually has a specific term for this situation - "multiple entitlement" - and they have established procedures to handle it smoothly. When my family went through this, the SSA representative explained that they see these cases regularly and have systems in place specifically because Congress recognized that modern families are complex. What really helped our family was when I explained to both sides that these benefits aren't being "taken" from anywhere - they're insurance payouts that my grandfather had effectively "purchased" through his decades of payroll taxes, specifically designed to provide security for his eligible family members after his death. Both his ex-wife and his current wife had contributed to his life and well-being during their respective marriages, so both were entitled to that security. The practical advice about gathering documents beforehand is spot-on, and I'd add that both women should ask about retroactive payments when they file - sometimes benefits can be paid back to the month after death even if there's a delay in filing. You're handling this beautifully by helping both sides understand the process. This really can be resolved without adding to the family stress.

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Thank you so much for sharing your grandmother's story, Freya. It's incredibly helpful to hear from someone who's been through this exact situation with their own family. The term "multiple entitlement" is really useful to know - I think having the official terminology will help both my mom and his widow feel more confident that this is a recognized, legitimate situation rather than something unusual or problematic. Your explanation about these being insurance payouts that my father essentially "purchased" through his payroll taxes is such a clear way to frame it. I'm definitely going to use that language when I talk to both of them. The point about retroactive payments is also really important - I hadn't thought about that aspect, but it could make a significant difference in their benefits. I'll make sure they both ask about that when they file. It's so reassuring to hear from multiple people here who've navigated this successfully with their families. You're all helping me feel much more confident about guiding both women through this process while keeping the peace during an already difficult time.

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As someone who's been navigating Social Security for a few years now, I wanted to add one more consideration that might be helpful for your long-term planning. Since your wife started benefits at 63 and you're still working with good income, you're actually in a great position to use this time to optimize your own future benefit. While she's collecting her reduced benefit now, you can continue working and potentially delay your own filing past your Full Retirement Age to earn delayed retirement credits (up to 8% per year until age 70). This strategy can really maximize your household's lifetime Social Security income. Also, don't forget that when you do eventually file for your own benefits, your earnings record is completely separate from your wife's situation. Her early filing and part-time work won't affect your benefit calculation at all - SSA looks at each person's individual earnings history. One practical tip: consider setting up a simple annual review process where you track both your wife's part-time earnings and your own projected benefit growth. This helps you make informed decisions about when might be the optimal time for you to transition from working to collecting benefits. Good luck with your planning!

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This is exactly the kind of strategic thinking we needed to hear! You're absolutely right that this period while my wife collects her reduced benefit gives me a great opportunity to maximize my own future benefit by continuing to work. I hadn't fully considered the math on delayed retirement credits - that 8% per year growth until age 70 could really make a significant difference in our total household income later. The idea of setting up an annual review process to track both her earnings and my projected benefit growth is brilliant too. It would help us make data-driven decisions about the optimal timing for my transition from working to benefits. Thanks for emphasizing that our records are completely separate - that's reassuring to know her early filing won't impact my calculations at all. This long-term perspective is really helpful for our overall retirement strategy!

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I'm new to this community but in a very similar situation - my husband is 59 and still working while I just started my benefits at 62. This entire thread has been incredibly educational! One thing I wanted to add that our financial advisor emphasized: consider opening a separate savings account specifically for setting aside taxes on your wife's Social Security benefits. With your $95k income, a portion of her benefits will definitely be taxable, and having that money automatically transferred each month (maybe 15-20% of her benefit amount) can prevent any cash flow issues when quarterly payments are due. Also, since your wife will be working at a family business, I'd suggest having a brief conversation with her sister about what happens if the business has a particularly busy season or if your wife needs to cover for someone else. Even though $15k annually is very safe, it's good to have a plan for how to handle any unexpected increases in hours or pay, just to maintain that peace of mind everyone's been talking about. The strategic approach others mentioned about you delaying your own benefits while she collects hers is really smart. You're essentially creating a bridge income situation that could maximize your total household Social Security over the long term. Best of luck to both of you!

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Welcome to the community! Your suggestion about setting up a separate savings account for Social Security taxes is brilliant - I wish I had thought of that! Automatically transferring 15-20% of my wife's benefit each month would definitely prevent any cash flow surprises when those quarterly payments come due. And you're absolutely right about having a conversation with her sister about busy seasons or covering for others - even though we're planning conservatively, it's smart to have a plan for handling unexpected increases in hours. The bridge income strategy really does seem like the way to go for maximizing our long-term household benefits. Thanks for adding these practical insights - this community has been such a valuable resource for navigating all these decisions!

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I'm going through a similar situation right now as a freelance writer who just started Social Security benefits at 62. The learning curve has been steep! One thing that's helped me is setting up a simple tracking system using a basic calendar app on my phone. I log start/stop times for each work session and categorize it (writing, editing, client calls, administrative tasks). At the end of each week, I transfer the totals to a spreadsheet that calculates both my monthly hours and earnings automatically. For the seasonal work issue that several people mentioned - I've found it helpful to think of it as "capacity management." During what would normally be my busiest months, I now turn down projects that would put me over the limits and refer them to colleagues. Yes, it means less income in the short term, but it keeps me compliant and honestly has reduced my stress levels significantly. The key thing I learned from my SSA representative is that they really do take the monthly limits seriously during that first year. She emphasized that even one month over the limits can trigger a review and potential benefit withholding for that month. After hearing that, I decided it wasn't worth the risk to push the boundaries. Keep detailed records of everything - you'll be glad you did if they ever ask for documentation!

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This tracking system using a calendar app sounds really practical! I like the idea of categorizing different types of work activities - that would definitely help when SSA asks for detailed breakdowns. The automatic calculation feature in your spreadsheet is smart too. Your point about "capacity management" really resonates with me. It's a mindset shift to think about deliberately turning down work to stay compliant, but you're right that the peace of mind is probably worth more than the extra income, especially when you factor in the risk of benefit withholding. I'm curious - when you refer overflow work to colleagues, have you found that helps maintain good client relationships? I worry about disappointing clients by turning down work, but maybe positioning it as connecting them with other qualified professionals could actually strengthen those relationships long-term. Thanks for sharing such practical advice from someone who's actively managing this right now!

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As someone who's just starting to navigate this process myself, this thread has been incredibly valuable! I'm 63 and planning to start Social Security while continuing my freelance marketing consulting work. One thing I'm wondering about after reading everyone's experiences - has anyone found it helpful to work with a tax professional or financial advisor who specializes in Social Security rules for self-employed people? The complexity of tracking both earnings and hours, plus understanding the different tests and regulations, makes me think it might be worth the investment to get professional guidance. Also, for those who mentioned keeping detailed spreadsheets - do you track business expenses separately in the same system? I'm trying to figure out the most efficient way to organize everything so I have clean records for both SSA reporting and tax purposes. The seasonal work challenges that @f5ca75619235 and others mentioned really hit home for me too. My consulting work tends to be feast or famine, with some months requiring 60+ hours and others barely 10. It sounds like I need to start planning now to smooth out that workload before I start benefits. Thank you all for sharing such detailed, practical advice. This is exactly the kind of real-world information that's impossible to find in the official SSA publications!

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I'm also new to this whole process and completely agree about the complexity! Working with a professional who understands Social Security rules for self-employed people sounds like a smart investment. I've been trying to figure this out on my own, but the more I learn about the different tests and requirements, the more I realize I could really benefit from expert guidance. For tracking expenses, I'm planning to set up separate columns in my spreadsheet for business expenses so I can calculate net earnings more easily. From what I've read in this thread, it's the net earnings (after business expenses) that count toward the SSA limits, not gross income. So keeping those expenses well-documented could actually help us stay under the earnings limit while maintaining higher gross revenue. The seasonal workload issue is really challenging! I'm in a similar boat with my work being very project-dependent. It seems like the key is starting to plan and restructure now, before benefits begin, rather than trying to figure it out after the fact. Maybe we could even consider partnering with other freelancers to share overflow work during peak periods? This thread has definitely opened my eyes to how much preparation is needed. Thanks for asking such thoughtful questions!

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As someone who just started receiving Social Security benefits a few weeks ago, I can totally relate to this confusion! I was doing the exact same thing - constantly checking my account wondering where my "current month" payment was and starting to worry something had gone wrong with my application. Reading through everyone's explanations about the "payment in arrears" system has been incredibly helpful. The way people explained it as getting paid AFTER you complete the work (in this case, living through the benefit month) finally made it click for me! I love the practical tips shared here, especially writing "Nov benefits → Dec payment" on the calendar and the wallet cheat sheet idea. It's honestly kind of frustrating that this basic timing information isn't explained clearly upfront in their materials since it affects how we budget our entire lives, but finding this supportive community has made all the difference. Thanks for asking this question - it's exactly what I needed to see as a fellow newcomer trying to navigate this system!

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Welcome to the Social Security community! I just started receiving benefits myself about a month ago and went through this exact same confusion. I was constantly refreshing my bank account wondering where my "current month" payment was! The "payment in arrears" explanation that everyone has shared here is spot-on - think of it like any job where you work the full month first and then get your paycheck afterward. So you're "working" through November by living through it, and then getting paid for that in December. What really helped me was setting up a simple tracking system in my phone notes where I write "December payment = November benefits earned" so I can always reference it when I get confused. The calendar method others mentioned is brilliant too - I might switch to that! It's honestly baffling that this isn't explained clearly in the initial paperwork since it's such a fundamental part of budgeting with Social Security. But don't worry, once you get through this first adjustment period, the timing becomes much more natural to understand. This community has been amazing for getting practical answers to questions the SSA materials somehow never address clearly!

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