my sil got in big trouble with SS cuz she went over the limit and didnt tell them. they made her pay back thousands!! make sure u report if u earn more than u think

Don't forget to consider your health insurance situation too! If you're getting health benefits through your part-time job, that might factor into your decision about when to claim. Medicare doesn't start until 65, so if you need those employer benefits to bridge the gap, that could influence your timing. Also, since you mentioned being overwhelmed - the SSA website has a really helpful retirement estimator tool that lets you plug in different scenarios to see how your monthly payments would differ at 62, 64, FRA, or even waiting until 70. It helped me visualize the long-term impact much better than just reading about percentages!

As a newcomer to this community, I've been following this discussion with great interest since I'm currently helping my parents navigate Social Security benefits for the first time. The systematic nature of this calculation error is really concerning - it sounds like SSA representatives are consistently applying family maximum rules incorrectly when DAC benefits are involved. What I find most helpful from this discussion is the clear step-by-step breakdown that several knowledgeable members have provided: 1. Worker gets full PIA (unaffected by family maximum) 2. Determine spousal benefit eligibility based on comparison to 50% of worker's PIA 3. Calculate DAC benefit (50% of worker's PIA) 4. Only then apply family maximum reductions proportionally if total exceeds limit The fact that multiple families are getting the same backwards explanation about "shares of what's left" suggests this needs to be escalated beyond individual case corrections. For those calling SSA, I'd recommend specifically asking them to cite the POMS section they're using and requesting to speak with a Technical Expert who specializes in family maximum calculations with DAC benefits. This community's knowledge sharing has been invaluable - it's showing people how to advocate effectively for accurate benefit calculations. I hope everyone affected gets this resolved and that SSA addresses what appears to be a systematic training or procedural issue.

As a newcomer to this community, I've been following this discussion with great interest and concern. The systematic nature of this calculation error that multiple families are experiencing is really alarming - it appears SSA representatives are consistently applying family maximum rules in the wrong order when disabled adult child (DAC) benefits are involved. From everything I've read here, the correct procedure should be: 1. Primary worker receives full PIA (unaffected by family maximum) 2. Determine spousal benefit eligibility by comparing spouse's own benefit to 50% of worker's PIA 3. Calculate what DAC would receive (50% of worker's PIA) 4. ONLY THEN apply family maximum reductions proportionally if the total exceeds the limit The fact that multiple families are getting the same backwards explanation about being limited to their "share of what's left" suggests this isn't just isolated errors but a widespread training or procedural issue that needs attention at the policy level. For anyone planning to call SSA about this, I'd recommend specifically asking them to cite the exact POMS section they're using for their calculation methodology and requesting to speak immediately with a Technical Expert who specializes in family maximum calculations involving DAC benefits. Don't waste time with representatives who clearly don't understand these complex rules. This discussion has been incredibly educational for someone new to Social Security benefits. The knowledge sharing and mutual support here is invaluable for helping people understand their rights and advocate for accurate calculations. I hope everyone affected gets this resolved quickly and that SSA addresses what appears to be a systematic problem affecting families with disabled adult children nationwide.

careful with the earnings limit!!!!! my brother went over by like $3000 and they took back a bunch of his benefits. big mess to fix

Just wanted to share my personal experience since I was in a very similar situation! I started collecting at 62 and continued working part-time for about 4 years. The FICA taxes definitely kept coming out of every paycheck, which felt frustrating at first, but it did pay off in the end. My benefit increased three times during those years - once by $31/month, another time by $18/month, and the final increase was $42/month. The increases happened automatically each January, and I could see the changes reflected in my SSA.gov account under the benefit payment history. One tip: keep good records of your earnings each year so you can track whether the recalculations are happening correctly. I also found it helpful to periodically check my earnings record online to make sure my employer was reporting my wages properly to SSA. The earnings limit was definitely something to watch carefully - I had to turn down some extra shifts a couple times to stay under the threshold, but overall continuing to work was worth it both financially and personally!

Welcome to the community! As a newcomer here, I wanted to express my gratitude for finding such a comprehensive and well-informed discussion about oil royalties and Social Security earnings limits. I'm currently 62 and just beginning to explore these complex rules as I plan my own retirement strategy. After reading through all the detailed responses, I'm impressed by the consistency and accuracy of the information shared. The clear consensus that passive royalty payments from mineral rights do NOT count toward the Social Security earnings test is exactly the kind of definitive guidance I was hoping to find. The fundamental principle that everyone has emphasized - that the earnings test only applies to income from "substantial gainful activity" rather than passive ownership income - really helps clarify how these rules work. Aaron, your situation provides such a perfect real-world example. With your $15K part-time income keeping you comfortably under the $21,240 annual limit, plus quarterly oil royalties that are completely excluded from that calculation, you've got an ideal balance that maximizes income while protecting your Social Security benefits. What I find most valuable about this thread is how it's evolved into a comprehensive educational resource covering not just the specific royalty question, but also broader considerations like record-keeping, official documentation, and tax planning implications. This holistic approach to Social Security planning is exactly what I needed to see. Thanks to all the experienced community members who have shared their knowledge and created such a supportive, informative environment. This is exactly the kind of collaborative resource I was hoping to find for navigating these important Social Security decisions!

Welcome to the community! As a newcomer here, I'm really grateful to have found such an incredibly detailed and helpful discussion about oil royalties and Social Security earnings limits. I'm currently 63 and just started collecting benefits myself, so this topic is very relevant to my situation. After reading through all the comprehensive responses, I can confidently echo what everyone has confirmed - passive royalty payments from mineral rights absolutely do NOT count toward the Social Security earnings test. The key principle that keeps coming up throughout this thread is spot-on: the earnings test only applies to income from "substantial gainful activity" (actual work you perform), not passive income from ownership interests. Aaron, your situation sounds very similar to what I was wondering about when I first started receiving benefits. I also have some royalty income from mineral rights in Oklahoma, and I was initially concerned about how it might affect my Social Security. After consulting with both SSA and reviewing their official publications, I can add my own confirmation that these passive payments are classified as unearned income and completely separate from the earnings limit calculation. Your $15K in part-time work income puts you comfortably under the $21,240 annual limit with plenty of room to spare, and those quarterly oil royalty payments are essentially invisible to the earnings test since they're based on ownership rather than labor. What I'd add from my own experience is to definitely keep detailed records of both income sources, even though the royalties don't count for the earnings test. It's helpful for tax planning purposes and provides peace of mind if any questions ever arise. This community has created such a valuable resource with this discussion - the combination of accurate rule explanations, real-world examples, and practical advice is exactly what newcomers like us need to navigate these complex Social Security decisions successfully!

One more important detail - when planning your strategy, remember that your own retirement benefit continues to grow until age 70 (at 8% per year after FRA), but survivor benefits do NOT grow after your FRA. This means there's no advantage to delaying widow benefits past your full retirement age of 67. In your case, taking reduced widow benefits at 60, then switching to your own benefit at 67 (or even 70 for maximum growth) is likely the optimal strategy given the benefit amounts you mentioned. At age 70, your own benefit would be about $3,472/month compared to the $3,200 survivor benefit at FRA.

I'm so sorry for your loss, Michael. Losing a spouse is incredibly difficult, and trying to navigate Social Security on top of grief is overwhelming. You're absolutely right to be confused - the SSA website is not user-friendly at all! But the good news is that you DO qualify for widow benefits regardless of your own benefit amount. The 50% rule only applies to spousal benefits while both spouses are alive, not survivor benefits. Your strategy of taking reduced widow benefits at 60 and switching to your own higher benefit at 67 is actually textbook perfect for your situation. You'll get about $2,288/month in reduced widow benefits ($3,200 x 71.5%) for 7 years, then switch to your own $2,800/month at 67. If you wait until 70 to claim your own benefit, it would grow to about $3,472/month. The key is making sure SSA processes everything correctly when you switch. As others mentioned, get everything in writing and follow up to confirm the change went through. You've got this!