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Evelyn Kim

TWC appeal hearing disaster - officer didn't read my evidence

I just had my TWC appeal hearing and I'm absolutely fuming. I spent 15+ hours creating a detailed document with timestamped evidence proving I followed the advice of a TWC agent who gave me incorrect information about my claim. The hearing officer admitted she hadn't even LOOKED at my evidence before the call! She put us in recess until some undefined 'later date' and kept talking to me like I was trying to cheat the system. This is beyond frustrating - I'm trying to access benefits my employer already paid into and never contested! My situation: I carefully read the TWC handbook, was confused about some requirements, so I called SIX separate times (spent over 2 hours total on the phone) with a TWC agent who gave me completely wrong information. I followed his guidance exactly, which led to my disqualification. Now I'm being treated like I'm committing fraud? How is there zero accountability when THEIR EMPLOYEE gives incorrect information that we rely on? I don't even want to get the guy in trouble - I just want my legitimate benefits. Has anyone successfully appealed in a situation like this? I feel like I'm being gaslit by the entire system.

Diego Fisher

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The EXACT same thing happened to me! My appeal officer was a total jerk who kept interrupting me and wouldnt let me finish explaning. They just want to deny as many claims as possible to save $$$. I think they have quotas they have to meet for denials. Its not YOUR money, so they dont care how much you suffer. I had all my evidence organized by date and everything and the officer just ignored it.

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Evelyn Kim

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That's exactly how I felt! Did your hearing ever continue after the recess? I'm worried they're just stringing me along.

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Sorry your going thru this. TWC system is broken

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Evelyn Kim

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Thanks. It's just so frustrating that there's no recourse when they're the ones who gave the wrong information in the first place.

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I've been through the TWC appeal process and won, so don't give up hope. Here's what helped me: 1. Request a full copy of your claim file through a records request - this will show all notes from your phone conversations 2. Document EXACTLY what the agent told you with as much detail as possible (date, time, name if you have it) 3. Focus on "detrimental reliance" in your argument - this means you reasonably relied on incorrect information from a TWC representative to your detriment 4. When the hearing resumes, immediately state that you submitted evidence that wasn't reviewed and request that it be considered before proceeding 5. Stay calm and factual - I know it's frustrating, but emotional arguments don't work well If the hearing officer seems biased, you can appeal to the Commission after their decision. The three-member Commission reviews these cases and can overturn the hearing officer.

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Evelyn Kim

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Thank you so much for this detailed advice! I've never heard of "detrimental reliance" before but that's exactly what happened. I'll definitely request my claim file - I hadn't thought of that. Did you have any documentation of what the agent told you in your case?

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OMG this system is RIGGED against us!!! I went through 3 appeals and still got denied even tho I had PROOF my employer lied about why they fired me. The hearing people dont care about facts they just rubber stamp whatever TWC already decided. Save yourself the stress and just find another job, thats what I had to do.

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Emma Johnson

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Not everyone has the same experience. My sister won her appeal last month. It depends on your case and how you present it.

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Liam Brown

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did you record the phone calls with the TWC agent? texas is a one-party consent state so that would have been legal. without proof of what they told you its going to be really hard to win

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Evelyn Kim

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No, I didn't think to record the calls. I do have detailed notes with the dates/times and what was discussed though. Do you think that'll be enough?

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Even without recordings, your notes can be helpful if they're detailed. Also, TWC does keep records of calls and what information was provided. That's why I suggested requesting your full claim file - it often contains notes from each interaction.

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Olivia Garcia

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I won my appeal after a similar situation last year. The key was being super organized and not letting the hearing officer rush me through my evidence. One thing that helped me was having a friend join the hearing as a witness (you're allowed to do this). They didn't even speak, but knowing someone else was listening seemed to make the officer behave more professionally. Also, if you're having trouble getting through to TWC to sort this out before your next hearing, I used a service called Claimyr (claimyr.com) that got me through to an agent in about 20 minutes instead of spending days trying. They have a video showing how it works: https://youtu.be/V-IMvH88P1U?si=kNxmh025COIlIzKh Don't give up - the system is frustrating but you can win if you're persistent and prepared.

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Evelyn Kim

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That's a great idea about having a witness! I'll definitely do that for the next hearing. And thanks for the Claimyr tip - I've been trying to get through to someone about some questions before the next hearing and it's been impossible.

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Noah Lee

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Emma Johnson

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When is your next hearing date? Make sure to submit your evidence again at least 48 hours before and call to confirm they received it. I'd even email it directly to the hearing officer if possible.

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Evelyn Kim

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They didn't even schedule the continuation date yet. Just said they'd send a notice. I'll definitely confirm receipt next time though - lesson learned!

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One more thing - in your next hearing, ask the officer to acknowledge on the record that all of your submitted evidence has been reviewed. If they haven't reviewed it, request a continuance (postponement) to give them time to do so. You have the right to have your evidence considered. Also, if the TWC representative gave you incorrect information, that may constitute an "agency error" which can be grounds for backdating benefits or removing a disqualification. Make sure to specifically use that terminology.

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Evelyn Kim

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Thank you! I'll definitely use the term "agency error" - that sounds like exactly what happened in my case. I appreciate all your help with the terminology.

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Diego Fisher

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Has anyone else noticed that the SAME DAMN THING happens every time? They send you to some phone rep who gives WRONG info, then they punish YOU for following it??? Its like they WANT us to fail so they can deny benefits. The whole system needs to be investigated!

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Noah Lee

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Yuuup. My neighbor got told the wrong thing about work search requirements and got disqualified for six weeks. System is broken

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After your hearing is resolved (hopefully in your favor), I recommend filing a formal complaint about receiving incorrect information. While it won't help your current situation, it might prevent others from experiencing the same problem. You can file a complaint here: https://www.twc.texas.gov/jobseekers/unemployment-benefits-contact-information (look for "unemployment benefits complaint resolution") In the meantime, continue requesting payments (if you're able to) while your appeal is pending. If you win, you'll receive benefits for all eligible weeks you requested payment, even during the appeal process.

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Evelyn Kim

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I didn't know I could still request payments during the appeal! Thank you - I'll start doing that today. And I'll definitely file a complaint regardless of the outcome.

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GalacticGuru

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I'm so sorry you're dealing with this - it's incredibly frustrating when the system that's supposed to help you becomes an obstacle. I went through something similar last year where I was given conflicting information by different TWC agents about my eligibility requirements. A few things that helped me prepare for my continued hearing: 1. Create a timeline document showing exactly when you called, what you were told, and how you acted on that information 2. If you remember the agent's name or any reference numbers from your calls, include those 3. Print multiple copies of all your evidence - bring extras to the hearing in case they "lose" them again The fact that the hearing officer admitted to not reviewing your evidence beforehand is actually good for your case - that's a procedural error on their part. When the hearing resumes, politely but firmly state that you expect all submitted evidence to be reviewed before any decisions are made. Don't let them intimidate you. You followed the guidance you were given by their own representative - that's not fraud, that's reasonable reliance on official information. Stay organized, stay calm, and keep fighting for what you're entitled to.

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Shelby Bauman

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Thank you so much for this advice! Creating a timeline is a great idea - I have all the call dates and what was discussed in my notes, but organizing it chronologically will make it much clearer. I didn't get the agent's name unfortunately, but I do have some reference numbers from a couple of the calls. You're absolutely right that I need to stay calm and not let them intimidate me. It's just so maddening when you're trying to do everything right and following their own guidance, only to be treated like you're trying to game the system. I'll definitely bring multiple copies of everything and make sure they acknowledge reviewing all evidence before we proceed. Thanks for the encouragement - it really helps to know others have been through this and come out successful.

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I'm new to this community but dealing with a similar TWC nightmare right now. Reading through all these responses gives me both hope and dread - hope that people do win these appeals, but dread that this seems to be such a common problem with their system. @Evelyn Kim - I really feel for you. The fact that the hearing officer admitted to not reviewing your evidence is actually shocking (though apparently not uncommon based on what others are saying). That alone seems like grounds for procedural misconduct. One thing I wanted to add that I learned from my lawyer friend - when you do get your continuation hearing, make sure to ask for the hearing to be recorded if it isn't already. You have the right to request this, and it protects you if there are any disputes about what was said during the proceedings. Also, has anyone mentioned contacting your state representative's office? Sometimes they have constituent services that can help navigate state agency issues like this. It might be worth a shot if the appeal doesn't go your way. Hang in there - it sounds like you've done everything right and have good documentation. The system is clearly broken, but that doesn't mean you can't win within it.

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Carmen Vega

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Welcome to the community! Sorry you're dealing with TWC issues too. That's a really good point about requesting the hearing be recorded - I had no idea that was an option. I'll definitely ask for that when my hearing resumes. I hadn't thought about contacting my state representative's office either. That's actually brilliant - they might have more leverage to get things moving or at least ensure proper procedures are followed. It's both comforting and depressing to see how common this problem is. Makes me feel less crazy for being so frustrated, but also shows how broken the system really is. Thanks for the encouragement and practical advice!

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Nia Jackson

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I'm so sorry you're going through this - it's absolutely infuriating when you do everything by the book and still get treated like you're trying to scam the system. The fact that the hearing officer admitted to not even looking at your evidence is completely unprofessional and honestly grounds for a complaint in itself. I went through a similar situation about 8 months ago where I was given incorrect information by a TWC representative about my work search requirements. What really helped me was creating a detailed written statement that included: - Exact dates and times of all phone calls - What specific questions I asked and what responses I received - How I relied on that information to my detriment - Screenshots of any confirmation emails or reference numbers When my hearing resumed, I started by addressing the procedural issue - I politely but firmly stated that I had submitted evidence that wasn't reviewed and requested that we pause until it could be properly examined. The hearing officer actually appreciated that I was organized and had everything documented. The key phrase that helped me was "detrimental reliance on official guidance" - I made it clear that I wasn't trying to circumvent any rules, but that I had specifically sought official guidance to ensure compliance and followed it exactly. Don't let them gaslight you into thinking this is your fault. You did exactly what any reasonable person would do - you called for clarification and followed the guidance you received. That's responsible, not fraudulent. Keep fighting for what you're entitled to!

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Paolo Rizzo

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This is exactly the kind of detailed advice I needed! Thank you so much. I love that phrase "detrimental reliance on official guidance" - that perfectly captures what happened to me. I spent so much time on those calls specifically because I wanted to make sure I was doing everything correctly, not to try to get around any requirements. Creating a written statement with all those details is a great idea. I have most of that information in my notes already, but organizing it into a formal statement with the specific language you mentioned will probably be much more effective than just having scattered documentation. I'm definitely going to address the procedural issue first when the hearing resumes. It's encouraging to hear that being organized and standing up for proper procedures actually worked in your favor. I was worried about coming across as difficult or argumentative, but you're right - requesting that evidence be reviewed before proceeding is completely reasonable. Thanks for the reminder that what I did was responsible, not fraudulent. Sometimes when you're in the middle of this mess it's easy to start doubting yourself, especially when they're treating you like you did something wrong. Your experience gives me hope that persistence and good documentation really can pay off!

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I'm really sorry you're dealing with this frustrating situation. What you're describing unfortunately happens more often than it should, but the good news is that you have a strong case based on what you've shared. A few additional thoughts that might help: 1. When your hearing resumes, consider opening with a brief statement about procedural fairness - something like "Before we begin, I need to confirm that all evidence I submitted has been reviewed, as this is essential for a fair hearing." 2. Document everything about this current hearing experience too - the officer's admission that she hadn't reviewed your evidence, her unprofessional attitude, etc. This could be relevant if you need to appeal further. 3. If you have any written confirmation emails or reference numbers from your calls with TWC, those can be powerful evidence even without recordings. The legal concept others mentioned - "detrimental reliance" - is exactly right for your situation. You reasonably relied on official information from a government representative, and you were harmed as a result of following that incorrect guidance. Stay strong and don't let them make you feel like you did anything wrong. You went above and beyond to ensure compliance by calling multiple times and following their guidance exactly. That shows good faith, not an attempt to defraud the system. Keep us updated on how it goes! Many people here are rooting for you.

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Oliver Weber

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Thank you so much for this thoughtful advice! I really appreciate the suggested opening statement - that's a professional way to address the procedural issue without sounding confrontational. You're absolutely right that I should document everything about this hearing experience too. I was so focused on my original evidence that I didn't think about how the officer's behavior and admission could be relevant for any future appeals. I do have a couple of reference numbers from my calls, and one confirmation email where they told me to "continue following the guidance provided." It's not much, but it's something concrete that shows the interaction happened. The concept of "detrimental reliance" really resonates with me - it perfectly describes what happened. I specifically sought official guidance to avoid problems, not create them. It's reassuring to hear from so many people that this approach has worked for them. This community has been incredibly helpful and supportive. I was feeling pretty defeated after that disaster of a hearing, but reading everyone's experiences and advice has given me renewed confidence that I can win this. I'll definitely keep everyone updated on how the continuation hearing goes. Thank you again for taking the time to share such detailed guidance!

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Noah huntAce420

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I'm dealing with a very similar situation right now and this thread has been incredibly helpful! I had my initial hearing last week where the officer barely looked at my evidence and seemed to have already made up their mind before we even started. What really struck me about your situation is how you went above and beyond to get clarification by calling SIX times - that shows incredible good faith effort on your part. The fact that you're being treated like you're trying to defraud the system when you were literally trying to follow their rules correctly is just mind-boggling. I wanted to share one additional resource that helped me - the Texas Department of Labor website has a section on "procedural due process" that outlines your rights during appeal hearings. It specifically states that all submitted evidence must be considered and that hearing officers should maintain professional conduct. You might want to reference this if you encounter similar issues in your continuation hearing. Also, I've found it helpful to practice stating my case out loud beforehand. It sounds silly, but when you're nervous or frustrated during the actual hearing, having practiced your key points helps you stay focused and professional. Don't let them wear you down - what happened to you with the incorrect agent guidance is a legitimate basis for appeal, and you have every right to expect your evidence to be properly reviewed. Rooting for you!

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Javier Torres

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Thank you for sharing that resource about procedural due process - I had no idea that was documented on the Texas Department of Labor website! That could be really valuable to reference if I run into similar issues at my continuation hearing. Practicing out loud is actually a great suggestion. I've been going over my key points in my head, but you're right that saying them out loud helps you stay more organized and confident when you're actually in the moment. I'll definitely do that before my next hearing. It's both validating and frustrating to hear that you experienced the same dismissive attitude from your hearing officer. The fact that this seems to be such a common pattern really makes me think there are systemic issues with how these hearings are conducted. I hope your situation works out well too! It sounds like you're taking all the right steps to prepare. Please keep us posted on how your case progresses - it's helpful to hear from others going through the same thing. Thanks for the encouragement and practical advice!

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