Lost TWC appeal because employer locked me out of email evidence - need advice for winning second appeal
I'm in a serious situation with my TWC benefits. I was initially approved for unemployment, but my ex-employer appealed and won the hearing. Now I'm facing having to pay back ALL the benefits I received (around $8,200). I have 14 days to appeal this decision. The reason I lost: They claimed I was written up multiple times for work avoidance, but that's completely untrue. What actually happened was technical issues with our call recording system not properly saving customer calls. I had proof of conversations with my supervisor about these tech problems (I forwarded the calls that weren't recording properly), but they immediately locked me out of my work email account when they terminated me, so I couldn't access this evidence for the hearing. It was basically just my word against their documentation. They had the write-ups, I had nothing to show the judge. I'm wondering: 1. Has anyone successfully won a second-level appeal after losing the first one? 2. Should I hire a lawyer? Is it worth the cost? 3. What kind of evidence would help my case at this point since I can't access those emails? I'm really stressed about potentially owing all that money back when I was terminated for something that wasn't my fault!
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Olivia Evans
I went through a similar situation last year and ended up winning my second appeal. Based on my experience, here's what you should do: 1. DEFINITELY request a subpoena for your work emails through TWC. You can file this request as part of your appeal paperwork. Be very specific about which emails you need (dates, subject lines if you remember them). 2. The Appeal Tribunal has the power to order your employer to produce these records. Make this request formal and in writing on your appeal form. 3. Prepare a detailed written statement explaining the technical issues, how they weren't your fault, and specifically how the emails would prove this. Be extremely detailed about timeline, who was involved, what was communicated. 4. As for legal representation - it helped me tremendously. I paid about $600 for an unemployment attorney to handle my second appeal, and it was worth every penny given what was at stake (in my case about $9,500 in benefits). The key is to be extremely organized this time. Your first hearing was probably by phone and moved quickly. For the Commission Appeal, prepare a written statement, timeline, and formal request for those email records.
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Daniel Price
•Thank you so much for this detailed response! I didn't know I could request a subpoena for my work emails - that could be a game changer. Do you know how long the subpoena process usually takes? I'm worried about my 14-day appeal deadline.
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Sophia Bennett
Ugh, this is EXACTLY why I hate these big companies!!! They fire u then lock u out so u have NO WAY to defend urself!!! The system is RIGGED against workers!!! My bf went thru similar BS last year - his manager wrote him up for stuff that never happened, then they blocked his email access right after firing him. This is why TWC needs to MAKE these companies prove that they're telling the truth instead of making US prove we're innocent!! So frustrating!!!!
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Aiden Chen
•i know right??!! same thing happened to my cousin, these companies all do this same trick. they know exactly what they're doing by cutting off your access
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Zoey Bianchi
I think you absolutely need to get legal help for this. When I had my appeal, I tried doing it myself the first time and lost because I didn't understand all the legal stuff they were asking. The second time I got help from Texas Rio Grande Legal Aid (they offer free legal help if you qualify based on income). Also if you can find any coworkers who knew about these tech issues, see if they will provide written statements for you. That worked for my case - had 2 former coworkers write statements confirming my side of the story.
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Daniel Price
•That's a great idea about getting statements from former coworkers. There were definitely a few who knew about these issues. I'll reach out to them today. I've never heard of Texas Rio Grande Legal Aid - I'll look into them right away to see if I qualify. Thank you!
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Christopher Morgan
Hey there, I had a hell of a time getting through to TWC to discuss my appeal last month. Busy signals for DAYS. Finally used this service called Claimyr (claimyr.com) and got through to a TWC agent in like 20 minutes instead of spending my whole day redialing. They have a video showing how it works: https://youtu.be/V-IMvH88P1U?si=kNxmh025COIlIzKh Might be worth checking out if you need to talk to someone at TWC about the appeal process or subpoena stuff. The TWC rep I finally spoke with gave me some really specific advice that helped with my case.
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Daniel Price
•Thanks for the tip. I've been calling TWC all morning with no luck. I'll check out that service - at this point I'm desperate to talk to someone who can guide me through this appeal process correctly.
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Aurora St.Pierre
heres what i learned from my appeal - if u cant get your old emails try these things: 1) check ur personal phone for any texts with coworkers about the call recording problems 2) look thru ur personal email - maybe u sent yourself anything from work 3) call records from the phone system might show if calls were dropped/had issues 4) performance reviews before the write-ups (if they were good) my appeal was different (attendance issue) but i won by showing the write-ups had wrong dates compared to my time sheets. look for ANY inconsistencies in their story!!
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Daniel Price
•I hadn't thought about checking my texts! I definitely texted with a couple teammates about the recording issues when they were happening. And I might have some screenshots I took of error messages. Going to dig through my phone tonight. Thank you!
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Grace Johnson
I actually work in HR and handle unemployment cases for my company (I know, I'm the enemy lol). But honestly, the reason employers often win these cases is preparation. They come with documentation, witnesses, and a clear timeline. For your second appeal, you need to: 1. Create a detailed timeline of events 2. Get witness statements if possible (former coworkers) 3. Request those emails via subpoena 4. Ask TWC to subpoena the call recording system logs to show the technical issues 5. If you have any performance reviews that were positive, bring those And yes, I'd recommend legal representation. The Commission Appeal is more formal than the first hearing. A lawyer who specializes in employment law will know what evidence to request and how to present your case effectively.
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Daniel Price
•Thank you for this insider perspective! I didn't think about requesting the call recording system logs - that's brilliant. I did have excellent performance reviews until these technical issues started happening. I'll definitely include those in my evidence packet.
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Aiden Chen
i was in this exact situation last year!! they said i was doing work avoidance but it was actually the stupid system not working right!! what happened with me was i lost my first appeal but i got a lawyer for the second one and we won! it cost me $750 but i was gonna have to pay back like $11,000 so it was worth it. my lawyer knew all the right things to say about burden of proof and stuff i never would have known. good luck!!
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Daniel Price
•That's reassuring to hear you were in a similar situation and won! Did your lawyer help you get evidence from your former employer? I'm thinking it might be worth the cost to hire someone who knows how to fight this properly.
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Olivia Evans
One more important thing I forgot to mention: You only have 14 days to file that appeal paperwork, but gathering evidence can take longer. Make sure you file the appeal form BEFORE the deadline, even if you don't have all your evidence yet. You can submit additional evidence later as you gather it. On the appeal form, clearly state that you're requesting a subpoena for specific work emails and call recording system logs. Also mention that you were denied access to crucial evidence that would prove your case. The Commission Appeals are more thorough than the first-level appeal hearings. They'll review the complete record from the first hearing plus any new evidence you provide. This is your chance to fix what went wrong in the first hearing.
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Daniel Price
•This is super helpful! I'll make sure to file the appeal form right away, then focus on gathering evidence. I was worried I needed everything ready before filing the appeal, so this takes some pressure off. I really appreciate all the advice!
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