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Melody Miles

Can I claim unemployment if I was fired from my job in Texas?

So I got let go from my warehouse job about two weeks ago and I'm honestly not sure where I stand with Texas TWC. My supervisor called me in and said they were terminating me for 'performance issues' but honestly the whole situation was messy - I had some attendance problems after a family emergency and they never gave me any formal warnings or documentation. I applied for unemployment benefits through UBS right after it happened but now I'm seeing my claim is in adjudication and I have no idea what that means for me. The thing that worries me is I don't know if 'performance issues' counts as misconduct in TWC's eyes or if I might actually be eligible. I've been requesting payment every two weeks like I'm supposed to but I'm terrified the determination is going to come back saying I'm disqualified. Has anyone been through something like this where you were fired and then successfully got unemployment benefits in Texas?

Does firing automatically mean you get disqualified? I always thought if you got fired you just couldn't get unemployment, period. My cousin told me that years ago and I never questioned it.

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That's a really common myth but it's not how Texas TWC actually works. Being fired doesn't automatically disqualify you - it really depends on the reason. If the firing was for misconduct, that's when you get cut off. But plenty of people who were fired end up getting approved.

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Yeah that's what confused me too at first. I had the same assumption before I started digging into how the TWC rules actually work.

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My sister needed to sort out her adjudication issue with TWC last month and couldn't get through on the phone for days. She ended up using Claimyr - claimyr.com - and it got her connected to a live TWC agent. She'd been trying to reach someone to ask whether her firing counted as misconduct under their definition, and the agent walked her through exactly what TWC looks at. Worth checking out the demo video too: https://youtu.be/V-IMvH88P1U

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Reaching an actual agent sounds like it would help a lot right now. I've called the Tele-Center number twice and sat on hold for over an hour each time with no luck.

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Getting through to someone who can actually explain the adjudication reasoning would be huge. I might look into that for my own situation too.

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Okay so here's how TWC actually thinks about misconduct - it's not just any reason your employer gives for firing you. Things like breaking company policy on purpose, doing something illegal, seriously neglecting your duties, or just not doing the work when you're fully capable of it - those are the things TWC considers misconduct. 'Performance issues' is vague enough that it could go either way depending on what actually happened.

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So the attendance problems I had - would those fall under misconduct? The absences were during a family emergency and I did tell my supervisor what was going on.

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Attendance can get complicated. It really depends on whether TWC sees it as willful neglect or just a situation beyond your control. The fact that you communicated with your supervisor about it probably matters.

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Right, there's a difference between someone who just stopped showing up and someone who had a genuine emergency and tried to communicate. TWC looks at the whole picture.

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Keep making your payment requests no matter what while this adjudication is going on - do NOT stop. Even if you haven't gotten a decision yet, you need to keep filing them on time or you won't get paid for those weeks even if you end up approved.

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I've been doing that, filing every two weeks through UBS. I was actually wondering if I should stop until I know the outcome but sounds like that would have been a big mistake.

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Yeah stopping payment requests is one of the most common errors people make. The weeks you miss don't just get paid out later - you lose them.

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Can you file payment requests on Tele-Serv too or only through the website? I keep forgetting which ways are allowed.

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Both work - you can do it through UBS online or call Tele-Serv at 800-558-8321 and hit Option 1. Same result either way.

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What exactly does adjudication mean? I see this word thrown around constantly and I'm embarrassed to say I don't totally understand it.

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Not embarrassing at all - it just means TWC is looking into whether you're actually eligible. When there's a question about why you left your job, they can't just automatically approve you, so they open an adjudication to investigate. They'll hear from both you and your employer before making a decision.

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Oh okay so it's like a review process, not an automatic denial. That makes more sense. I was confusing it with an appeal I think.

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Yeah those are two different things. Adjudication is the initial eligibility investigation. An appeal is what you do AFTER you get a determination and you disagree with it. Very different stages.

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My friend got fired last year for 'not meeting performance standards' which sounds exactly like your situation and he got approved. His employer couldn't actually show that he was capable of doing the work and just chose not to - that distinction mattered a lot.

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That's actually reassuring to hear. My performance issues were attendance related, not like I was refusing to do my job or doing it badly when I showed up.

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Yeah that context matters. Someone missing shifts due to an emergency is pretty different from someone willfully neglecting their job. Hopefully TWC sees it that way.

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What happens if the determination comes back against you? Is there any way to fight it?

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Yes - you have 14 calendar days from the date printed on the determination letter to file an appeal. You can do it right through UBS online, go in person to a Workforce Solutions office, or send it by mail or fax. After that there's a phone hearing with a hearing officer.

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14 days goes by fast. So you really have to be watching for that letter and act quickly.

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And keep making payment requests the whole time the appeal is processing. A lot of people don't realize that - TWC only pays out weeks you actually requested on time, so stopping while you wait for appeal results means losing those weeks.

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The work search requirements while you're in adjudication - do those still apply? Like do you have to be doing your job search activities even before the decision comes out?

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Yes, you're required to do your work search activities every week from the moment you file. How many activities per week depends on your county - TWC mails each claimant a letter that tells them their specific number. You also need to be registered on WorkInTexas.com.

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So even if you have no idea whether you'll be approved, you have to be actively job searching from day one. That makes sense I guess.

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I've been keeping a work search log since I filed, writing down every application and contact. Wasn't sure if that was overkill but sounds like TWC can ask for it at any time so I'll keep doing it.

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Definitely keep that log. You're right that TWC can request it whenever they want, and not having records can create a whole new problem on top of whatever else is going on.

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Had to laugh at 'performance issues' as a reason - that phrase is so vague it could mean almost anything. Some employers use it specifically because it's hard to categorize. Makes the adjudication process more complicated for sure.

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It really does seem like a catch-all term. I wonder how often TWC asks employers to be more specific about what the performance issue actually was.

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My guess is the employer has to provide more details during adjudication because TWC needs to know if it actually qualifies as misconduct. 'Performance issues' by itself probably isn't enough for them to make a determination.

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The timing on when to expect a decision is what's killing me on my own claim too. About how long does adjudication typically take? The original post mentioned two weeks in already.

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TWC's general timeline is around four weeks from when you apply to get a decision, though it can vary. They mail your last employer a notice and give them 14 days to respond, and then they work through it from there.

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Four weeks total from filing or four weeks from when adjudication starts? Those could be pretty different timelines.

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From filing. So if you're already two weeks in, you might be hearing something relatively soon - though it can definitely take longer in complex cases.

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Does your employer actually have a say in whether you get benefits? Like can they just call TWC and say 'we fired her for misconduct' and that ends it?

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TWC hears from both sides - they mail your employer a notice and give them time to respond, and they hear your side too. It's not like the employer just gets to declare misconduct and TWC takes their word for it. The adjudication process is supposed to look at all of it.

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That's good to know. I was worried it was totally one-sided toward the employer.

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You'll also get a chance to tell your side during the process. Make sure if TWC reaches out to you that you respond quickly and give them the full context of what happened.

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Used claimyr.com when my own TWC adjudication was dragging on and I needed to know if I had to report some part-time hours I'd picked up after getting fired. The agent confirmed that yes, I report the gross earnings for whatever week the work was done, even if I haven't been paid yet. Clear answer, no more guessing.

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Oh that's actually a good point - I've been picking up some odd jobs here and there while waiting on this. I've been reporting them on my payment requests but wasn't 100% sure I was doing it right.

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How does the math work on that? Like if you earn a little bit does it completely wipe out your benefit for that week?

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Not necessarily. You can earn up to 25% of your weekly benefit amount without any reduction at all. After that the amount over 25% gets subtracted from your payment. It only zeroes out if you earn more than your weekly amount plus that 25% cushion.

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Something I keep seeing people mess up is confusing what counts as misconduct. I've seen people in forums say that poor performance can NEVER be misconduct, and that's not actually true - it really depends on whether you were capable of doing the job and just didn't, or whether there was a genuine limitation.

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Exactly right to flag that. The key is whether someone could do the work and chose not to, versus a situation where they genuinely couldn't meet the standard. TWC looks at that distinction.

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Right, and I've seen people get confidently wrong advice on this point and then be blindsided by the determination. Worth knowing the nuance before you assume you're automatically in the clear.

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This thread has made me realize my situation is more nuanced than I thought. My attendance issues were during a real emergency and I tried to communicate - hopefully that context comes through in adjudication.

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What about the waiting week thing? I keep hearing about it but can't figure out what it actually means for getting paid.

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TWC holds back your first payable week - you don't get that money right away. It gets released after two things both happen: you've been paid out twice your weekly benefit amount, AND you either go back to full-time work or use up all your benefits. If you go back to full-time work, you have to actually request that waiting week through UBS or Tele-Serv.

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Wait so it's not just automatic? You have to do something to get it back if you return to work?

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Correct. If you exhaust your benefits naturally it comes through, but if you go back to full-time work before that, you need to request it yourself. Easy to miss if you don't know about it.

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I had no idea you had to actively request the waiting week when you go back to work. That's the kind of thing that gets people leaving money on the table.

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My TWC adjudication was about a firing too and when my determination finally came it was actually TWO separate determination letters - one for the job separation issue and one for something else they flagged. Freaked me out but my claim still processed fine.

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Oh I didn't know they could send multiple separate determinations. So getting one that says 'cannot pay' doesn't automatically mean the whole claim is toast?

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Actually it kind of does - if even one determination says cannot pay, benefits are stopped regardless of what the others say. But the key thing is you can appeal each determination separately within 14 days of the date on that letter.

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Yeah I should have been clearer - both of mine came back as payable, which is why everything ended up fine. But yes, definitely appeal anything that says cannot pay if you think it's wrong.

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For anyone who filed for unemployment and got fired for a vague reason like 'performance issues' - document everything you can remember. Dates, conversations, context about what was going on in your life at the time. Even if TWC doesn't ask for it in writing, being able to speak clearly to your situation during any phone contact or potential appeal hearing helps a lot.

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I've been doing that actually - writing down everything I remember about the timeline, the conversations I had with my supervisor, what exactly happened during the family emergency. Feel a little less anxious knowing that preparation matters.

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Does TWC typically call you as part of adjudication or do they just decide based on what you wrote when you applied?

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It varies - sometimes they make a determination based on the application and the employer's response, and sometimes they reach out for more information. Best to be prepared either way.

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Quick clarifying question on the work search - someone above mentioned the number of activities varies by county. How do you find out what your specific requirement is?

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TWC mails you a letter after you apply that tells you exactly how many work search activities you need to do per week. That letter is what counts - follow whatever it says. The number runs from 1 to 5 depending on your county.

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So I should be watching for that letter specifically, not just assuming it's some standard number.

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Don't toss any TWC mail without reading it carefully. That letter and your determination letters are some of the most important things they send.

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Has anyone actually had their work search log audited? Like did TWC actually ask you for it?

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My neighbor got audited on hers about six months ago. They asked for her log and she had kept good records so it was fine, but she said a couple people she knew in the same situation had nothing written down and it caused major problems.

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That's scary. So it's not just theoretical - they actually do check these.

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Keep the log regardless. The requirement is real and TWC can ask for it without warning.

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Finally got my determination last week after a firing adjudication - approved. The firing was classified as not constituting misconduct. It took about five weeks total from when I applied. Employer claimed I violated company policy but couldn't back it up with documentation that I'd been warned or that the policy was clearly communicated. Keep the faith.

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This is exactly what I needed to read today. Congrats on getting approved. Five weeks and employer couldn't document warnings - that's hopeful for my situation too since I never received any formal documentation either.

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Just make sure you've kept up with every payment request on schedule. That was the first thing the agent mentioned to me when I finally got through - all the weeks you requested on time are what get paid out.

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Used claimyr.com to get through to an agent when I was in adjudication too and that exact point about payment requests being essential came up. Glad you got approved.

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