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PA UC appeal hearing for voluntary quit - can I win with no transportation to work site?

I've been struggling with my UC claim since I technically 'resigned' but feel I had no choice. My appeal hearing is scheduled for next Friday and I'm panicking. My situation: I was working remotely since 2021, but in January 2025 my company decided everyone had to return to the office (70 miles from me). When I lost my housing situation in December, I ended up in a shelter two counties away with absolutely no transportation options. I asked if I could continue working remotely temporarily, but they insisted I had to be on-site with a hardwired connection. The shelter wouldn't allow me to connect to their network for security reasons, and I had no car or public transit options to reach the office. I reluctantly resigned on January 5th when it became clear I couldn't physically get to work. I filed for UC in mid-April once I found stable housing, but was denied because I 'voluntarily quit.' I appealed immediately and now my hearing is days away. Does anyone know: 1) What are my chances of winning this appeal since I literally had no transportation or ability to meet their in-person requirement? 2) If I do win, how long before payments would start? I'm already late on June rent and getting desperate. Any advice from those who've faced similar appeals would be so appreciated.

I went through a similar hearing last year and won. For your case to be successful, you need to show you had a 'necessitous and compelling reason' to quit. Transportation impossibility can qualify, but you need to prove you tried everything possible to keep your job. During your hearing, focus on these points: 1. Document the distance (70 miles) and lack of transportation options 2. Provide any emails where you requested accommodation to work remotely 3. Show you tried to find solutions before resigning 4. Explain the shelter's network restrictions that prevented remote work Bring any texts or emails that show the company refused to work with you on alternatives. The referee will want to see you exhausted all options before quitting. If you win, payments usually start within 10-14 days, including back pay to your initial filing date.

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Thank you so much! I do have emails showing I asked about continuing remotely temporarily and that I offered to come in once I could find transportation. Should I also bring something from the shelter documenting their network policies? I'm worried they'll just say I should have found a way to make it work somehow.

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Yes! Absolutely bring documentation from the shelter about their network policies. The more evidence you have, the better. Also, calculate and be prepared to explain exactly how much it would have cost you daily to commute 70 miles each way (gas/bus fare/etc), and compare that to your wages to show it wasn't financially feasible. Under PA UC law, a commute becoming impossible can be considered good cause for leaving employment if you can demonstrate there were no reasonable alternatives. If possible, get a written statement from the shelter confirming your residence dates and their internet restrictions. Bring a timeline showing when you became homeless, when the company changed their remote work policy, and your attempts to find solutions. During the hearing, remain calm and stick to facts. Don't criticize your employer or get emotional - just clearly explain the impossible situation you were in.

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This is all excellent advice!! I would add one thing - make sure you're super clear that you TRIED to make it work. The UC system cares A LOT about whether you made "reasonable efforts" to preserve the employment relationship before quitting. In my experience with the appeals system theyll often side with the employee if you can show you really tried to find a way to keep working but the employer was rigid. Be suuuuper specific about what you tried and when!!

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ur probly not gonna win tbh. PA UC is super strict about voluntary quits. my cousin quit bcuz his car broke down and couldnt get to work and they denied him. said he shoulda got a ride or something. hope im wrong but dont get ur hopes up

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That's really discouraging to hear...was his appeal hearing similar to my situation? Did he have documentation showing he tried to find alternatives? I'm worried they'll say the same thing to me.

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The UC system is DESIGNED to deny people!!! I quit last year because my manager was harassing me and even with PROOF I was denied initially and had to fight through 3 APPEALS before finally winning. The system is completely BROKEN. They're going to ask you why you couldn't find alternate transportation, why you couldn't find housing closer to work, why you didn't try harder, etc. Be prepared for them to blame YOU for YOUR HOMELESSNESS. It's disgusting how they treat people. If you lose, APPEAL AGAIN. Don't give up just because some bureaucrat decides your legitimate hardship isn't "compelling" enough for them!

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While I understand your frustration, I think giving the OP some practical advice might be more helpful than venting. Not every referee is out to deny claims - I've seen many fair outcomes in these hearings. It really depends on the evidence presented.

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Thanks for the tip! I've been calling every day trying to ask some questions before my hearing. I'll check out that service - at this point I'm willing to try anything that might help my case.

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To directly answer your second question - if you win your appeal, you should get paid within 7-14 days after the decision is finalized. However, the referee may not make a decision on the spot - they sometimes take a week or two to review everything and issue their ruling. So realistically, if you win, you might be looking at 2-3 weeks total from your hearing date until money hits your account. For rent issues, if you win, you'll get a PA UC Money Network card with all your back benefits from your filing date, which should help catch up on rent. In the meantime, you might want to look into emergency rental assistance through your county.

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when i won my appeal it took over a month to get paid just sayin dont count on it being quick

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One thing nobody's mentioned yet - during your appeal hearing, you should specifically use these exact words: "I had a necessitous and compelling reason to leave my employment." This is the legal standard the referee is looking for. Then explain how transportation was impossible due to: 1) distance (70 miles), 2) your housing crisis, and 3) the shelter's restrictions. Also, emphasize that this was a change in working conditions from when you were hired (assuming you were initially hired as remote or closer to the office). The employer changing conditions can strengthen your case. In my experience, appeals for transportation issues have about a 50/50 success rate. It really depends on showing you exhausted all options before quitting.

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That's really helpful phrasing - thank you! Yes, I was initially hired as fully remote during COVID and worked that way for over a year before they changed the policy. I'll definitely emphasize that point during the hearing.

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I had my appeal hearing over the phone last month and was sooooo nervous I could barely talk! Just remember to take deep breaths. Have all ur documents laid out in front of u and maybe write down some bullet points so u don't forget anything important when ur nervous. My hearing only lasted like 15 mins and the referee was actually pretty nice. I hope urs goes well!!

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That's VERY different from my experience! My referee was HOSTILE and kept interrupting me and trying to twist my words. It depends ENTIRELY on who you get assigned. Some are fair and some are LOOKING for reasons to deny you!

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Something to consider: PA UC law recognizes that transportation issues can constitute good cause for leaving employment when: 1. The change in commute was due to factors beyond your control (becoming homeless) 2. The distance is prohibitive (70 miles definitely qualifies) 3. You attempted to resolve the issue before quitting Make sure you can show evidence for all three elements. Also, be prepared to answer why you waited until April to file when you left in January. The referee might ask about this gap - just explain your housing situation honestly and that you were focused on stabilizing before filing. If your employer shows up (they don't always), don't get defensive or argue. Let them present their side, then calmly explain your perspective.

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Thank you for this detailed advice. The gap in filing is definitely something I was worried about. I was in and out of temporary housing situations until April and honestly didn't even think about UC until I got more stable. Should I bring any documentation about my housing situation during those months?

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Yes, bring any documentation of your housing situation during those months. This could include shelter intake forms, lease agreements (once you found stable housing), correspondence about looking for housing, etc. This helps explain the filing gap and supports your overall case that you were dealing with genuine hardship. One more tip: During the hearing, if your former employer attempts to claim you could have found alternative transportation, be prepared to explain exactly why each alternative wouldn't work (cost prohibitive, no public transit routes, etc.). The more specific you can be about why you had no viable options, the stronger your case will be.

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I'd also recommend writing down a detailed timeline of events with specific dates. Sometimes these hearings can make you nervous and you might forget important details. Having a chronological list in front of you can help you stay organized when explaining your situation.

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I'm new to this community but have been following unemployment discussions for months while dealing with my own situation. Your case actually sounds pretty strong to me based on what others have shared here! A few things that might help that I haven't seen mentioned yet: 1. If you have any medical documentation about stress/health impacts from homelessness, that could support your case that you weren't in a position to handle a 140-mile daily commute even if transportation existed. 2. Consider bringing a printout showing gas costs for 70 miles each way - even if you had a car, that could be $30-40/day in gas alone, which might exceed your daily wages. 3. The fact that you were hired as remote originally is HUGE. This wasn't you taking a job knowing the commute - they changed the terms on you while you were dealing with a housing crisis. I've been lurking here learning from everyone's experiences, and from what I've read, cases like yours where there's a clear change in working conditions plus genuine hardship tend to have better outcomes than simple "I quit because I didn't like my job" situations. Wishing you the best of luck on Friday! The advice everyone's given here is solid - you've got a good community backing you up.

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Welcome to the community! These are really excellent points, especially about the medical documentation and calculating the actual commute costs. I hadn't thought about the health impacts angle - being homeless is incredibly stressful and that 140-mile daily commute would have been brutal even if I somehow found transportation. I'll definitely put together those gas cost calculations too. Thank you for taking the time to share such thoughtful advice as a newcomer - it really means a lot to have this support going into Friday's hearing!

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I've been following PA UC appeals for a while and your situation actually has several strong elements working in your favor. The key is presenting it as a "constructive discharge" rather than a voluntary quit - essentially, your employer created impossible working conditions by requiring in-person work when you had no feasible way to comply. Here's what strengthens your case: - You were hired as remote and worked successfully in that capacity for years - The company unilaterally changed terms during your housing crisis - 70 miles is objectively unreasonable, especially from a shelter - You made good faith efforts to find accommodation before resigning The timing gap (January quit, April filing) might seem problematic, but it actually supports your narrative that you were dealing with genuine housing instability and weren't just trying to game the system. One thing I'd add to the excellent advice already given: if possible, research what public transportation would have cost/taken. Being able to say "the only bus route would have required 4+ hours daily and cost more than my daily wages" shows you did consider alternatives. Keep your testimony focused on the impossible logistics, not on criticizing your employer. The referee needs to see this as a situation where any reasonable person would have had to quit.

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This is such a helpful way to frame it - as a "constructive discharge" rather than just a voluntary quit! I hadn't thought about researching public transportation costs and time, but that's brilliant. I just looked it up and there's literally no direct public transit between the shelter location and my old office - it would have required 3 transfers and taken over 3 hours each way, assuming the connections worked perfectly. The daily cost would have been around $25 round trip, which is more than half what I was making per day. I'm definitely going to include this research in my presentation. Thank you for such a strategic perspective on how to approach this!

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I've been through the PA UC appeals process twice and want to offer some encouragement - your case actually sounds much stronger than many I've seen succeed. The combination of being hired as remote, the extreme distance (70 miles!), your housing crisis, and documented attempts to find alternatives creates a solid foundation for "necessitous and compelling reason." A few practical tips for your hearing: - Have a simple timeline written out (hired as remote → worked successfully → housing crisis → company policy change → attempts to accommodate → impossible situation → resignation) - If you get nervous, it's okay to pause and refer to your notes - The referee may ask hypothetical questions like "couldn't you have stayed at a different shelter closer to work?" Be prepared to explain why that wasn't realistic given your circumstances One thing that helped me was practicing my key points out loud beforehand. The phrase "I had no reasonable alternative but to resign due to the employer's change in working conditions during my housing crisis" captures your situation perfectly. Your employer may not even show up to contest it - many don't bother with appeals. But if they do, stay calm and stick to the facts. You've got documentation and a legitimate hardship case. Hang in there - Friday will be here before you know it, and you've prepared well!

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Thank you so much for the encouragement! It really helps to hear from someone who's been through this process successfully. I love that timeline format you suggested - it tells the story clearly without getting bogged down in emotions. I'm definitely going to practice saying that key phrase about having "no reasonable alternative" out loud before Friday. You're right that I need to be ready for hypothetical questions. I can already imagine them asking why I didn't try to find housing closer to the office, but honestly, I was just trying to get ANY stable housing after losing my place. The shelter was the only option available to me at the time, and by then the company had already made their policy change clear. I really hope my employer doesn't show up, but I'm trying to prepare as if they will. Having all this advice from everyone here makes me feel so much more confident going into Friday. This community has been incredible - I don't know what I would have done trying to figure this out on my own!

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Just wanted to chime in with some additional support - I work as a paralegal and have seen quite a few unemployment appeals, and your case has several strong legal elements. The fact that you were originally hired for remote work and then had the conditions changed during a personal crisis really strengthens your position under PA law. One document you might want to bring if you have it: any kind of written confirmation of your original remote work arrangement (offer letter, employee handbook excerpt, email confirming remote status, etc.). This helps establish that in-person work wasn't part of your original job requirements. Also, don't underestimate the power of being genuine and straightforward during your hearing. Referees can usually tell the difference between someone gaming the system and someone who genuinely had no choice. Your situation - losing housing, ending up in a shelter 70 miles away, company refusing accommodation - reads as a perfect storm of circumstances that would make continuing employment impossible for any reasonable person. You've gotten fantastic advice here from this community. Trust in your preparation and remember that you're not asking for something you don't deserve - you're asking for benefits you paid into when you were working. Best of luck on Friday!

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