PA UC eligibility appeal after receiving $22,000 - can employer force repayment?
I'm freaking out right now. Got laid off from my healthcare job back in February after reporting safety concerns. After 11 weeks of waiting, PA finally approved my UC benefits in May. I've received about $22,000 total since then and have been using it to stay afloat while job hunting. Yesterday I got a notice that my former employer is appealing my eligibility! The hearing is scheduled for January 15th - right after the holidays when I'm already struggling financially. The timing feels deliberately cruel. If I lose this appeal, will I have to repay ALL the benefits I've received??? Everything I stated in my application was 100% truthful. I was terminated after reporting a coworker who was endangering patients, but management twisted it into a policy violation about "unauthorized schedule changes" when I was just trying to protect patients. I dedicated 4 years to this company - worked unpaid overtime, sacrificed family time, even worked during my vacation. I know those policies inside and out, and this new manager had been looking for reasons to get rid of me since she started. Now I'm terrified they'll force me into debt right when I'm finally starting to recover emotionally from all this. Has anyone been through an employer appeal after already receiving benefits? What happens if they win?
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Anthony Young
First, take a deep breath. I went through something similar last year with my employer appealing after I'd already received benefits for several months. Whether you'll have to repay depends on the outcome of the hearing and the specific details of your case. At the hearing, both sides will present evidence about whether your separation from employment was eligible for benefits under PA UC law. If the referee determines you were fired for willful misconduct (which is the standard they use), you could be disqualified and asked to repay. However, if you can demonstrate you were following proper procedures or reporting legitimate safety concerns, that's often NOT considered misconduct. Focus on these things to prepare: 1. Gather any documentation showing you reported the safety issue through proper channels 2. Any evidence that the policy you allegedly violated was unclear or inconsistently enforced 3. Documentation of your positive work history and evaluations 4. Witnesses who can testify about the situation (if applicable) Be factual in your testimony and focus on your reasoning: protecting patients. The referee needs to understand your actions were reasonable given the circumstances.
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Aurora Lacasse
•Thank you for this detailed response. It helps to know someone else has gone through this. I have emails documenting that I reported the safety concern through proper channels first. I'm worried because on paper it looks like I "changed the schedule without authorization" but I was following established protocol for patient safety incidents. Did you win your appeal? I'm wondering what percentage of employer appeals actually succeed.
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Charlotte White
OMG the exact same thing happened to me!!! My boss fired me for something so stupid and then waited until I got my money to appeal. These companies are EVIL they just want to screw over employees who speak up. My hearing was back in March and it was on the phone and the referee actually sided with ME not the company!!! Make sure you talk about how you were protecting PATIENTS it's all about public saftey!!! Good luck!!!
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Admin_Masters
•Not all companies are evil. They have right to appeal just like claimants do. System works both ways thats why we have the hearings.
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Matthew Sanchez
I lost my appeal after receiving 4 months of benefits and had to pay back $14,780. It was devastating. The worst part is PA UC adds a 15% penalty if they decide it's fault overpayment, plus interest! They can garnish future wages, take tax refunds, even put liens on property if you don't set up a payment plan. My advice - GET REPRESENTATION for the hearing if possible. I represented myself and the company had their fancy HR person who knew all the unemployment terms and procedures. I felt completely overwhelmed. Also, the fact that you already received a determination letter in your favor is actually good - it means the burden of proof is on the employer to show why that determination was wrong. Start saving whatever money you can right now just in case. And don't miss that hearing no matter what!
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Aurora Lacasse
•This is exactly what I'm afraid of. I can't afford to pay back $22,000! Can they really add penalties on top of that? Did you have any options to reduce what you owed or get a waiver?
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Ella Thompson
Dealing with UC appeals is so stressful! When I had my employer appeal last year, I kept getting busy signals when trying to call the UC service center with questions. Wasted like 3 days trying to reach someone! Finally found this service called Claimyr that got me connected to a PA UC rep in about 20 minutes instead of spending days redialing. They have a video showing how it works: https://youtu.be/CEPETxZdo9E?si=WL1ZzVZWG3KiHrg2 The UC rep I spoke with gave me really specific advice for my situation and explained exactly what documents I needed for my hearing. Made a huge difference in how prepared I felt. Their website is claimyr.com if you're struggling to get through on the phones.
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Aurora Lacasse
•Thank you for this! I've been calling for two days and just keep getting the busy signal. I'll check that out because I have so many questions about what to expect at the hearing.
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JacksonHarris
dont worry too much u have the upper hand cuz they already approved u before. my cousin had the same thing happen and he just showed the referee his original approval letter and explained his side calmly. also the fact that ur trying to protect patients looks good for u. bring any emails or texts that prove u were following safety protocols
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Anthony Young
•This is partially correct but incomplete advice. While having the initial approval is helpful, the referee will make a new, independent decision based on all evidence presented at the hearing. The original approval letter itself isn't enough - you need to prove your actions weren't willful misconduct under PA UC law.
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Jeremiah Brown
The PA UC referee system is COMPLETELY RIGGED against workers!!! I had FIVE WITNESSES who all said I was fired without cause and the referee STILL sided with the company. They don't care about evidence or facts, they just want to save the state money. And yes, they WILL make you pay back every penny plus penalties. They'll garnish your wages, take your tax refunds, and harass you for YEARS. I'm still paying back $9k from 2023 when I lost my appeal. The whole system is designed to look fair but actually protect companies. That's why they wait months to file appeals - they KNOW you've already spent the money by then!!! It's CRIMINAL what they're allowed to do to people who are already struggling!!!
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Admin_Masters
•I don't think this is helpful or accurate. I've been through the PA UC appeal system twice (once as claimant, once as employer) and found the referees to be fair and professional both times. They follow the law, not some conspiracy to deny benefits. The OP needs factual advice, not fearmongering.
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Ella Thompson
Something I learned from my own appeal: document EVERYTHING before the hearing. Write down a timeline of events while it's fresh in your mind. The healthcare industry has strict protocols, and if you can show you were following required reporting procedures for patient safety, that will help your case. At my hearing, I had prepared a 1-page outline with bullet points of key facts and dates. It helped me stay focused when I got nervous. Also, in PA you're allowed to have witnesses - is there anyone who can verify your account of what happened with the safety incident? The referee will listen to both sides and then make a decision based on PA's definition of willful misconduct. Since you were trying to protect patients, that should work in your favor if you can document it properly.
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Aurora Lacasse
•Thank you for this practical advice. I'll definitely create that timeline and outline. I do have copies of emails where I reported the safety concern first through proper channels, and only took action when nothing happened. I'll gather all of that documentation. Do you know how long after the hearing they make a decision?
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Anthony Young
To address your follow-up question - PA UC referees typically issue decisions within 10-14 days after the hearing, though it can sometimes take up to 30 days during busy periods. You'll receive the decision by mail. If you lose, you'll have 15 days to appeal to the UC Board of Review. This is important because filing that appeal can sometimes delay repayment requirements while the second appeal is pending. Regarding repayment options if you do lose: PA does offer payment plans, and in rare cases, they may approve a "fault overpayment waiver" if repayment would cause extraordinary financial hardship. But these waivers are difficult to get approved. One more thing to prepare for the hearing - practice explaining your actions in a calm, factual way. Avoid emotional language about the company or how they treated you. Focus strictly on the sequence of events and your reasoning for the actions you took.
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Aurora Lacasse
•This is incredibly helpful. I'm going to start preparing right away. It sounds like I need to focus on showing that my actions were reasonable and necessary given the patient safety concern, rather than dwelling on how unfairly I was treated. I appreciate all this guidance so much.
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Charlotte White
my friend had her former job appeal after 6 MONTHS of getting benefits and she had already spent all the money on rent and stuff!!! but she won her appeal because she had text messages from her supervisor that contradicted what the company was saying at the hearing. do you have any texts or emails that might help your case??? also write down EXACTLY what your manager said when you reported the drinking issue the first time
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Ella Thompson
Quick update on my situation - I won my employer appeal by focusing on patient safety protocols. The key was proving I followed the established reporting procedure first, and only took additional steps when there was no response to my initial report. The referee specifically noted in her decision that actions taken to protect patient safety, when following reporting chains, don't constitute willful misconduct. I hope this helps with your case!
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Aurora Lacasse
•That's so encouraging to hear! Thank you for coming back to share that. I have documentation showing I reported through proper channels first too, so I'll definitely emphasize that. Did you have an attorney or did you represent yourself?
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