PA UC appeal by employer - will I have to repay benefits if they win?
I'm freaking out about my unemployment situation and need advice ASAP. I was laid off in February and applied for PA unemployment. My employer initially contested my claim saying I was fired for misconduct (completely untrue - they had a round of layoffs). After my fact-finding interview last month, UC approved my benefits and I've received about $4,800 so far including back payments. Just got a notice yesterday that my former employer filed an appeal against the determination! The hearing is scheduled for June 15th. I'm seriously worried - if they somehow win this appeal, will I have to pay back all the money I've already received? I've used it to pay rent and bills already. Has anyone dealt with this before? Can PA UC really make me repay everything if the appeal decision goes against me?
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Wesley Hallow
I went through something similar last year. Generally speaking, if you were approved and paid benefits based on the initial determination, you shouldn't have to pay it back - especially if you provided accurate information in your application. The exception would be if they determine you committed fraud or knowingly provided false information. Make sure you attend the hearing and bring any documentation showing your layoff was part of a reduction in force. Employment separation letters, emails about the layoff, or witness testimony can all help your case.
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Kennedy Morrison
•Thank you so much for responding! That makes me feel a little better. I have emails from HR discussing the layoffs and an official letter stating my position was eliminated. Should I get a lawyer for the hearing or can I handle it myself?
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Justin Chang
they can ABSOLUTELY make u repay if u lose the appeal. happened to my brother last yr and he got hit with a $6200 overpayment notice. they take it super serious and will garnish ur wages if u dont pay back!! be careful
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Kennedy Morrison
•Oh my god that's terrifying. Did he have to pay it all back at once? Did they offer any kind of payment plan? I don't have any savings left after being unemployed for months.
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Grace Thomas
This is a common concern, but you need accurate information. Pennsylvania law (Section 804 of the PA UC Law) has provisions for handling overpayments. They're classified as either "fault" or "non-fault" overpayments: - Fault overpayments occur when you knowingly provided false information or withheld facts - Non-fault overpayments happen due to department errors or legitimate disputes like yours If your employer wins the appeal but you've been honest throughout the process, it would likely be considered a non-fault overpayment. You might still have to repay, but you can request a waiver based on financial hardship, or set up a payment plan. Bring all documentation to your hearing showing you were part of a legitimate layoff. The burden of proof is on your employer to show misconduct.
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Hunter Brighton
•my cousin works for uc and she says they almost never approve those hardship waivers lol. good luck with that!
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Dylan Baskin
I had an employer appeal my benefits in 2024 and I won! Make sure you have EVERYTHING documented. Print out emails, text messages, performance reviews, everything that proves your side. Also practice what you're going to say before the hearing - the referee will ask specific questions and you need to be clear and direct with your answers. Don't ramble or get emotional. If you're struggling to reach PA UC to ask questions before your hearing, try Claimyr (claimyr.com). They helped me get through to an actual person when I needed clarification on what documents to bring. They have a video showing how it works: https://youtu.be/CEPETxZdo9E?si=WL1ZzVZWG3KiHrg2
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Kennedy Morrison
•Thanks for the recommendation and congrats on winning your appeal! I've been trying to call UC for three days with no luck. I'll check out that service - I really need to talk to someone before the hearing to understand exactly what evidence I should bring.
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Lauren Wood
everyone saying different things here!!!! this is why the system is BROKEN. they make the rules impossible to understand on purpose so they can deny benefits. i had to repay $2300 after losing an appeal even though i did NOTHING wrong. they don't care about workers AT ALL. just big companies. system is RIGGED against us!!!!!
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Ellie Lopez
•Totally agree! The whole system is designed to confuse people. My determination was reversed too and they sent me a bill for every penny. Meanwhile my former employer is making record profits this year. Make it make sense!!
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Wesley Hallow
Responding to your question about getting a lawyer - it's not required for UC hearings, but if there's a lot of money at stake, it might be worth it. Some legal aid organizations offer free help with UC appeals if you qualify financially. Check with PA Legal Aid or your county's bar association for resources. Also, start documenting your job search efforts meticulously if you're not already doing so. Make sure you're meeting the work search requirements (applying to at least 2 jobs weekly and completing 1 work search activity) while this is being sorted out.
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Kennedy Morrison
•I've definitely been keeping up with my work search requirements. I'll reach out to legal aid tomorrow to see if I qualify for assistance. Really appreciate the guidance!
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Justin Chang
my brother got on a payment plan for his overpayment. they took like $75 from each UC payment until he found a job, then he had to pay $100/month. took him almost 2 years to pay it all back
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Kennedy Morrison
•That's at least somewhat reassuring. At least they don't demand it all at once. This whole situation is so stressful. Did they charge interest on the repayment amount?
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Chad Winthrope
UPDATE: I talked to a lawyer through legal aid, and they gave me some really helpful information. According to the lawyer, if my benefits were properly determined based on the information I provided (which they were), I would NOT have to repay benefits received before a reversal on appeal. The lawyer cited Section 804(b) of the PA UC Law which covers non-fault overpayments. The lawyer explained that since I didn't misrepresent anything and was approved based on the initial determination, the benefits paid before any appeal decision would be protected. I wanted to share this update for anyone else in a similar situation. Still preparing for the hearing, but feel much more confident now!
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Grace Thomas
•That's excellent news! Thanks for sharing this update with the community. Your lawyer is correct about Section 804(b). This is valuable information for others facing similar situations. Good luck with your hearing!
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Ellie Lopez
just went thru this exact thing in January. make sure u show up for the hearing!!!! my neighbor missed his hearing and auto-lost his appeal and had to repay like $3k. even if u think you might lose, SHOW UP!
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Kennedy Morrison
•I'll definitely be there! The notice says it's a phone hearing - I already put a reminder in my phone and wrote it on my calendar. No way I'm missing it.
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