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Jacob Lee

What's the best way to arbitrage between Corporate and Personal income tax rates?

So here's my situation - I own a small IT consulting business outright (100% ownership) and I've been looking at the tax implications. I noticed that the corporate tax rate is only 25% while personal income tax can hit 45% at the highest bracket! This got me thinking... Could I potentially set up a separate business account from my main company and just use that for personal expenses like groceries, dining out, my apartment rent, and entertainment without formally claiming them as business expenses? Would this approach be legal or am I missing something fundamental about corporate/personal tax separation? I'm trying to understand the most tax-efficient way to structure things without crossing any lines with HMRC.

This would be a clear case of tax evasion, not tax arbitrage. What you're describing is essentially paying for personal expenses directly from company funds without properly accounting for them, which violates the fundamental principle of separation between business and personal finances. The legitimate way to extract money from your company is through either: 1) Salary - which is subject to income tax and National Insurance 2) Dividends - which have a more favorable tax rate but can only be paid from profits after corporate tax If you're using company funds for personal expenses without claiming them as expenses (which they aren't legitimate business expenses anyway), this is effectively taking money from the company without declaring it as income. HMRC would classify this as disguised remuneration and potentially as tax fraud.

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But what if I'm the only shareholder? Doesn't that change things since it's all my money anyway? And how would HMRC even know if I'm using a separate business account?

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Being the sole shareholder makes no difference. A limited company is a separate legal entity from you personally, even if you own 100% of it. The money in the company belongs to the company, not to you directly, until it's properly extracted through legitimate means. HMRC has sophisticated methods for detecting this kind of behavior. Bank account monitoring, lifestyle analysis compared to declared income, routine tax investigations, and business expense reviews are all common. Plus, if you're ever audited (which is more likely for owner-managed businesses), this kind of arrangement would be immediately obvious and could result in significant penalties, interest charges, and even criminal prosecution for tax fraud.

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The most tax-efficient way is usually a small salary just above the NI threshold (around £9,500) and then dividends for the rest. That way you get your personal allowance but don't pay much NI, and dividends are taxed more favorably than salary. But you CANNOT just use company money for personal stuff - that's basically stealing from the company (even if you own it).

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What about directors loan accounts? I've heard you can borrow from your company?

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Yes, director's loan accounts are an option, but they come with strict rules. You can borrow from your company, but if the loan exceeds £10,000, it's considered a benefit in kind and you'll pay income tax on it. Additionally, if the loan isn't repaid within 9 months after your company's year-end, the company will have to pay a temporary tax (currently 33.75%) on the outstanding amount. When the loan is eventually repaid, the tax can be reclaimed, but it creates cashflow issues. Also, if you repeatedly take out loans and repay them (bed and breakfasting), HMRC has anti-avoidance rules that will catch this. Director's loans are legitimate but not a good long-term strategy for extracting value compared to the salary+dividend approach.

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Has anyone actually been caught doing this? Asking for a friend...

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Yes! My brother-in-law tried something similar with his plumbing business. HMRC did a routine VAT inspection which led to them looking deeper at his accounts. They found personal expenses being paid directly from the business account and hit him with additional income tax, NI contributions, penalties AND interest going back 4 years. Cost him over £30k in total and now he's on their high-risk list for future audits.

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