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Jayden Hill

Can I file my small business taxes separate from my personal income tax return?

Hey tax people! So I have this side hustle I've been running for about 2 years now (making custom furniture) and I'm trying to figure out if there's any way to keep my business finances completely separate from my personal taxes. I've been operating as a sole proprietor so far, but it's getting confusing to manage everything together. I did some quick research and saw something about getting a TIN (Tax Identification Number) that might help? Basically I'm wondering if there's any legal way for me to file my business stuff separately from my personal return, or if I'm stuck having to combine everything. My accountant friend mentioned something about an LLC but wasn't super clear about whether that would actually let me file separately. Anyone have experience with this? Would really appreciate some guidance before tax season gets crazy!

LordCommander

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The short answer is that as a sole proprietor, your business income and expenses must be reported on your personal tax return using Schedule C. You can't file them separately. What you might be thinking of is forming a different type of business entity. If you form a corporation (either C-corp or S-corp), then the business would file its own separate tax return. With a C-corp, you'd pay corporate taxes and then personal taxes on any salary or dividends you receive. With an S-corp, the business files its own informational return, but the profits/losses still flow through to your personal return (though there can be tax advantages). An LLC by itself doesn't change how you're taxed - a single-member LLC is still taxed as a sole proprietor by default (using Schedule C on your personal return). However, an LLC can elect to be taxed as a corporation if you want. Getting an EIN (Employer Identification Number, which is what I think you mean by TIN) doesn't change how you're taxed - it's just an identification number for your business instead of using your SSN.

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Lucy Lam

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Thanks for the explanation. If I form an S-corp, would I still need to pay self-employment taxes like I do now as a sole proprietor? And approximately how much more complicated would my tax situation become if I went the S-corp route?

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LordCommander

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With an S-corp, you'd need to pay yourself a "reasonable salary" which would be subject to employment taxes (similar to self-employment taxes, but split between employer and employee portions). Any additional profit beyond your salary can be taken as distributions, which aren't subject to self-employment/employment taxes. This is where the potential tax savings come in. S-corps are definitely more complicated. You'll need to run payroll (even if just for yourself), file quarterly employment tax returns, prepare and file a separate business tax return (Form 1120-S), and maintain much more formal business records. You'll almost certainly need an accountant, and you'll have additional expenses like payroll services. There are also ongoing state filing requirements and fees that vary by location.

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Hassan Khoury

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One thing to consider is that even if you form an entity that files a separate tax return (like a corporation), you still need to file a personal return. The two aren't completely independent of each other. Also, the administrative burden increases significantly with a separate business entity. As a sole prop, your tax situation is relatively simple. With a corporation, you're looking at: - Board meeting minutes - Separate business bank accounts (absolutely mandatory) - Payroll tax filings - Corporate tax returns - Maintaining corporate formalities Unless you're making significant income (probably $75k+ profit), the extra costs of maintaining a corporation might outweigh the tax benefits.

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Jayden Hill

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What would you say is the tipping point where it becomes worth it to switch from sole proprietor to something else? My business made about $43k profit last year, but I'm projecting closer to $60k this year if things continue as they have been.

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Hassan Khoury

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The general rule of thumb many tax professionals use is that the S-corporation route starts to make financial sense when your business profit is consistently around $60,000-$80,000 or higher. At $43k last year and projecting $60k this year, you're right at that threshold. What really matters is if you have sustainable profits that exceed what would be a reasonable salary for your role. For example, if you'd need to pay yourself $50k as a reasonable salary in an S-corp, but your business only makes $60k in profit, then the tax savings would be minimal and might not offset the additional costs and complexity.

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Has anybody used QuickBooks Self-Employed for tracking business vs personal expenses? I'm a sole proprietor too and get confused about what counts as business vs personal. Last year I just guessed and probably left money on the table.

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Benjamin Kim

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I've been using QB Self-Employed for about 3 years now. It's pretty decent for the basics - you can swipe left/right to categorize transactions as business or personal, and it automatically calculates your estimated quarterly tax payments. The receipt scanner is handy for keeping track of business expenses too. It won't help with the entity selection question though - for that you really need a tax pro or something like that taxr.ai service others mentioned. But for day-to-day tracking as a sole prop, it works well.

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Thanks for the recommendation! That sounds exactly like what I need right now. I'm spending way too much time trying to separate all my expenses manually, and I'm sure I'm missing deductions. I'll definitely check it out.

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Just wanted to chime in as someone who went through this exact decision process last year with my consulting business. The key thing that helped me decide was getting clear on my actual numbers and goals. As others mentioned, you're right at that threshold where an S-corp election might make sense financially. But beyond just the tax savings, consider the administrative overhead - you'll need to run payroll (even for yourself), file additional returns, and maintain more formal records. One thing I didn't see mentioned is that you can actually elect S-corp status for an LLC, which gives you the tax benefits without some of the corporate formalities. This might be a middle ground worth exploring. For your furniture business specifically, also consider liability protection. As a sole prop, your personal assets are at risk if something goes wrong with your products. An LLC (even without S-corp election) would give you that protection layer. My recommendation would be to run the actual numbers for your situation - either with a tax pro or using one of the tools mentioned here - before making any changes. The "right" answer really depends on your specific income level, expenses, and business goals.

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This is really helpful advice, especially the point about LLC with S-corp election - I hadn't heard of that option before! The liability protection aspect is something I definitely need to consider more seriously. I've been so focused on the tax implications that I kind of overlooked the fact that if someone gets hurt by one of my custom furniture pieces, I could be personally liable for everything I own. That's honestly pretty scary when I think about it. Do you happen to know if the LLC with S-corp election is significantly more complicated than just a regular LLC? And roughly what kind of additional costs should I budget for if I go that route?

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