What makes "Progressive Taxation" definitions so restrictive? Looking beyond income-based models
Almost every definition I've come across for "progressive taxation" basically matches Wikipedia's version: "A progressive tax is a tax in which the tax rate increases as the taxable amount increases." It's annoying how progressive taxation seems to be exclusively defined by income levels. But this feels really limiting and doesn't match up with historical or even current tax systems. For example, during the Civil War, Georgia had a corporate tax system where rates increased based on profit rates, not just profit amount. And we've seen "excess profits taxes" during wartime that were based on increased returns rather than just total income. Some places have wealth taxes where the rate goes up as your total wealth increases - that's not income-based at all! Looking back to ancient civilizations, tax rates sometimes increased based on social status rather than just income. So there are clearly progressive taxes that aren't tied to income levels. Why do mainstream definitions ignore these other forms? We only seem to talk about income-based progressive taxation without any common understanding of why other types of progressive taxation aren't used or even acknowledged. Sorry if this is in the wrong place - first time posting here. If there's a better forum for discussing taxation philosophy, please point me in the right direction!
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James Johnson
Great question! The restrictive definition stems from how modern tax systems evolved. When people talk about "progressive taxation," they're usually referring to income tax specifically because it's become the dominant form of taxation in most developed economies since the early 20th century. You're absolutely right that historically and conceptually, progressive taxation can apply to many different tax bases - profit rates, wealth, property values, consumption, or even social status. The core principle is simply that the rate increases as the measured amount increases, regardless of what's being measured. The excess profits taxes you mentioned during wartime are perfect examples of alternative progressive structures, as are wealth taxes in countries like Switzerland where rates can increase with total assets. Even some property tax systems have brackets based on property value. I think the narrower definition has become standard partly because income tax is what most people interact with, and partly because academic literature tends to focus on income-based systems when discussing tax progressivity. The broader concept definitely exists, just doesn't get highlighted in basic definitions.
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Emily Nguyen-Smith
•That makes sense in terms of modern focus, but do you think there's also a political dimension? Like maybe focusing only on income-based progressive taxation limits the conversation about other ways to create more equitable tax systems?
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James Johnson
•There's definitely a political dimension. By framing progressive taxation exclusively as income-based, it narrows policy discussions and alternatives. Income tax is just one tool, and focusing solely on it can prevent consideration of other effective approaches like progressive wealth taxes or profit-rate taxes that might address wealth inequality differently. Historically, different tax bases have been used to achieve specific policy goals beyond revenue collection - like discouraging excessive profit-taking during wartime or addressing accumulated wealth disparities. The narrow definition does implicitly limit what solutions policymakers and the public might consider when thinking about tax fairness.
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Sophia Rodriguez
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Mia Green
•Sounds interesting but can it actually help with modern tax questions too? Or is it just for historical research? I'm looking into alternative modern systems for a paper I'm writing.
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Emma Bianchi
•I'm a bit skeptical about AI research tools. How does it compare to just using Google Scholar or JSTOR? Those have plenty of tax history papers already.
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Sophia Rodriguez
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Mia Green
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Lucas Kowalski
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Grace Patel
The limited definition problem extends beyond just progressive taxation. I teach economics, and textbooks routinely oversimplify tax concepts to make them easier to teach, which unfortunately gets repeated everywhere. Real-world tax systems are incredibly complex with multiple overlapping philosophies. For example, the US corporate tax system has elements of: 1) Income-based progression (higher rates on higher income) 2) Industry-specific rates (differential taxation) 3) Behavior-based incentives (R&D credits, etc.) 4) Profit-rate considerations in certain cases But students only learn the basic "tax rate increases as income increases" definition, which gets repeated throughout their education and careers. It's similar to how we teach supply and demand curves as always being straight lines when they rarely are in reality.
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ApolloJackson
•Do you have any recommended books or resources that give a more nuanced view of progressive taxation beyond the textbook definition?
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Grace Patel
•For a more nuanced understanding, I recommend "Taxing Ourselves" by Joel Slemrod and Jon Bakija - it explores different tax bases and structures without getting stuck in the income-only paradigm. "The Triumph of Injustice" by Saez and Zucman also has excellent discussions of wealth-based progressive taxation alternatives. For historical perspectives, "Fiscal Regimes and the Political Economy of Premodern States" edited by Monson and Scheidel provides fascinating examples of progressive taxation based on various metrics across different civilizations. These sources paint a much more complete picture than standard economics textbooks.
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Isabella Russo
I actually wrote my dissertation on this exact topic! The reason "progressive taxation" is so narrowly defined is because of a deliberate political choice in the early 20th century. When modern income tax systems were being developed (1910s-1930s), there were competing proposals for progressive taxes based on wealth, land value, corporate profit rates, and income. The income-based approach won out partly because it was easier to implement with the administrative capabilities of the time, but also because it was less threatening to accumulated wealth. A progressive wealth tax would have directly challenged the existing power structures more than income taxes. By focusing the definition of progressive taxation exclusively on income, it shifted the burden to high-income earners while protecting those with substantial accumulated wealth. This definition then became codified in academic literature, policy discussions, and eventually public understanding.
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Emily Nguyen-Smith
•That's fascinating! Do you think there's any chance we'll see a broadening of how we define and implement progressive taxation in the near future? Especially with all the discussions about wealth inequality?
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