What is the minimum AFR for a family mortgage loan that won't be considered a gift?
My parents are planning to help me buy my first house by offering me a family mortgage loan. We want to make sure the interest rate is high enough that the IRS won't consider it a gift, but also as low as legally possible to help me out. We're looking at the AFRs (Applicable Federal Rates) for April, but we're confused about which one to use. I see the monthly long-term AFR is 1.72%, but there's also this adjusted long-term AFR at 1.31%. I'd obviously prefer the lower rate if it's allowable! My dad's accountant says we need to use the monthly long-term AFR (1.72%), but my financial advisor thinks we might be able to use the adjusted rate. I've been searching online but can't find a clear explanation of what the adjusted AFR is actually used for. Can anyone explain which rate we should be using for a family mortgage loan? And what exactly is the adjusted AFR for if not for this situation? Any help would be greatly appreciated!
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Dylan Mitchell
For a family mortgage loan, you'll want to use the Applicable Federal Rate (AFR) that corresponds to the term of your loan. Since a mortgage is typically long-term (more than 9 years), you'd use the long-term AFR. The regular monthly long-term AFR (1.72% in your case) is the correct rate to use, not the adjusted AFR. The adjusted AFR is used for specific income tax calculations related to certain tax-exempt obligations and other specialized situations - not for determining the minimum interest rate on family loans. If you charge less than the appropriate AFR, the IRS will consider the difference between what you charged and what you should have charged as a gift, potentially subject to gift tax reporting if it exceeds annual exclusion amounts. Make sure you properly document the loan with a written agreement including the interest rate, payment schedule, and term. Also consider recording the mortgage to ensure the interest is potentially tax-deductible for the borrower.
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Sofia Martinez
•Thanks for clearing that up! If we go with the long-term AFR at 1.72%, do we need to use that exact rate or could we round up to say 2% to be safe? Also, does the rate get locked in at closing or does it need to adjust over time?
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Dylan Mitchell
•You can absolutely use a rate higher than the AFR - the 1.72% is just the minimum required to avoid gift tax implications. Many families choose to round up slightly as you suggested, both for simplicity and to provide a small buffer in case there were any questions. Regarding your second question, the rate you choose is fixed based on the AFR for the month when the loan is made. Once you establish the loan at that rate, you don't need to adjust it later even if future AFRs change. That rate is locked in for the entire term of the loan unless your written agreement specifically includes provisions for rate adjustments.
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Dmitry Volkov
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Yara Khoury
Just an additional tip from someone who went through this recently - make sure you document everything properly! My parents loaned me money for my house last year, and we used the correct AFR, but we didn't create proper loan documentation. This created headaches at tax time because I couldn't deduct the mortgage interest I paid to my parents without proper documentation. Also, make sure you actually make the payments as scheduled - the IRS can reclassify the loan as a gift if you're not treating it like a real loan with regular payments. We ended up having our agreement notarized and recording the mortgage with the county, which helped establish the legitimacy of our arrangement. It's worth the extra effort upfront to avoid tax issues later.
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Keisha Taylor
•Do you need an attorney to create the loan documentation or is there a template you can use? And did you have to pay any recording fees when you filed with the county?
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Yara Khoury
•We used an attorney for our documentation which cost about $500, but I've heard many people use templates available online successfully. Just make sure any template includes all the essential elements: loan amount, interest rate, payment schedule, term length, and what happens in case of default. Some states have specific requirements, so it's worth checking that. Yes, we paid recording fees to the county - it was around $75 in our area. The fees vary by location and the amount of the loan. While this seems like an extra expense, it officially establishes the mortgage and makes the interest tax-deductible for you as the borrower, which can save a lot more in taxes over the life of the loan.
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StardustSeeker
The IRS publishes the AFRs monthly in the Internal Revenue Bulletin. For April 2025, the long-term AFR is 1.72% for annual compounding, 1.71% for semiannual compounding, and 1.70% for quarterly compounding. The adjusted AFR of 1.31% isn't applicable for family loans. For reference, you can find these rates published in Revenue Ruling 2025-X (they publish a new one monthly). This is directly from the source rather than relying on potentially outdated or incorrect online information.
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Paolo Marino
•Does "long-term" specifically mean the loan is over 9 years? We're considering a 7-year family loan term, would we use the mid-term AFR instead?
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Maggie Martinez
•Yes, exactly! The IRS categorizes AFRs by term length: short-term (3 years or less), mid-term (over 3 years but not over 9 years), and long-term (over 9 years). For a 7-year family loan, you would use the mid-term AFR, not the long-term rate. The mid-term AFR for April 2025 would be different from the 1.72% long-term rate mentioned. Make sure to check the current month's Revenue Ruling for the correct mid-term AFR when you establish your loan. This is an important distinction that could affect both your tax obligations and the minimum interest rate required to avoid gift tax implications.
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Jordan Walker
Great question! I went through this exact situation last year with my parents. You definitely want to use the regular monthly long-term AFR of 1.72% for a typical mortgage loan, not the adjusted AFR. The adjusted AFR is used for very specific tax calculations involving certain bonds and other specialized financial instruments - it's not meant for family loans. Your dad's accountant is correct on this one. One thing I learned the hard way is that you also need to be careful about the loan term classification. If your mortgage is truly long-term (over 9 years), then the 1.72% long-term AFR applies. But if it's shorter, you'd use the mid-term AFR instead. Also, make sure you have proper documentation in place - promissory note, payment schedule, and consider recording the mortgage with your county. The IRS will look at whether you're treating this like a real loan, not just a family arrangement. Regular payments are crucial too! You can use a rate higher than the AFR minimum if you want to be extra safe, but 1.72% is the floor to avoid gift tax issues. Good luck with your home purchase!
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Savannah Vin
•Thanks for sharing your experience! I'm curious about the documentation process you mentioned. When you say "consider recording the mortgage with your county," is this required for the IRS to recognize it as a legitimate loan, or is it just recommended? Also, did you run into any issues with your parents reporting the interest income on their taxes? I want to make sure we handle both sides of this correctly from the start.
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Ravi Malhotra
•Recording the mortgage with your county isn't strictly required by the IRS, but it's highly recommended for several reasons. It creates an official public record that helps establish the legitimacy of your loan arrangement, which can be important if the IRS ever questions whether it's a real loan versus a disguised gift. Plus, recording the mortgage is typically necessary for you to claim the mortgage interest deduction on your taxes as the borrower. Regarding the interest income reporting - yes, your parents will need to report the interest they receive from you as taxable income on their tax returns. Make sure you provide them with accurate records of all interest payments made during the year. Some families create a simple spreadsheet tracking principal and interest portions of each payment to make tax filing easier for both parties. One tip: consider having your parents issue you a Form 1098 or similar documentation showing the interest you paid, which will help support your mortgage interest deduction claims. It's not required, but it creates a paper trail that matches both sides of the transaction.
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Freya Johansen
As someone who recently navigated this exact situation, I can confirm that your dad's accountant is absolutely correct - you need to use the regular monthly long-term AFR of 1.72%, not the adjusted AFR of 1.31%. The adjusted AFR has very specific applications related to certain tax-exempt obligations and other specialized tax calculations that don't apply to family mortgage loans. Using it for your situation would likely trigger gift tax issues since you'd be charging below the minimum required rate. A few additional considerations from my experience: 1. Make sure your loan term actually qualifies as "long-term" (over 9 years). If it's shorter, you'd need the mid-term AFR instead. 2. You can absolutely charge a higher rate than 1.72% if you want extra security - that's just the minimum. 3. The AFR you use gets locked in when you establish the loan, so you won't need to adjust it later even if future AFRs change. Don't forget about proper documentation - a written promissory note with clear terms, regular payment schedule, and consider recording the mortgage with your county. The IRS will scrutinize whether you're treating this as a legitimate loan arrangement. Good luck with your home purchase! Having family help with financing can be a great opportunity when done correctly.
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Sydney Torres
•This is really helpful information! I'm just starting to research this for my own family loan situation. When you mention recording the mortgage with the county, roughly how much did that cost you? And did you need to use a specific form or just bring the promissory note to the county recorder's office? I want to budget for all the associated costs upfront so there are no surprises.
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Theodore Nelson
•Recording costs vary by county, but in my area it was around $85-95 for the mortgage document. You'll typically need to bring a properly prepared mortgage or deed of trust document (not just the promissory note) that meets your state's legal requirements for recording. The promissory note establishes the debt, but the mortgage document is what secures it against the property and gets recorded. Many counties have specific formatting requirements - margins, font size, notarization, etc. I'd recommend calling your county recorder's office first to ask about their specific requirements and current fees. Some families hire a real estate attorney to prepare the mortgage document properly (cost us about $300), while others use online legal document services. Just make sure whatever you use complies with your state's laws and the county's recording requirements. The small upfront cost is definitely worth it for the tax benefits and legal protection it provides.
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Jacob Lewis
Just wanted to add another perspective on the documentation side of things. When my brother and I set up a family mortgage loan last year, we made the mistake of thinking a simple promissory note would be enough. Big error! The IRS actually looks at the "substance over form" - meaning they want to see that you're treating this like a real commercial loan in every way. Beyond just using the correct AFR (1.72% long-term in your case), here's what we learned was crucial: 1. Set up automatic payments if possible - shows consistency and seriousness 2. Keep detailed records of every payment with principal/interest breakdown 3. Charge late fees if payments are missed (just like a bank would) 4. Have consequences written into the agreement for default situations We also discovered that some states require family loans to be reported differently, so definitely check your local requirements. The extra documentation work upfront saved us from potential headaches during tax season. Your situation sounds very similar to ours - using the monthly long-term AFR of 1.72% is definitely the way to go. The adjusted AFR would create gift tax problems since it's below the required minimum. Best of luck with your home purchase!
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Carmen Ruiz
•This is excellent advice about treating it like a real commercial loan! I'm just getting started with researching family loans and hadn't considered some of these details like late fees and automatic payments. When you mention keeping detailed records with principal/interest breakdown, did you create your own spreadsheet or use specific software for tracking this? Also, I'm curious about the state reporting requirements you discovered - was this something you found through your state's tax department or did you need to consult with a local attorney to understand the rules?
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Chloe Robinson
•For tracking payments, we initially tried creating our own Excel spreadsheet but found it got complicated quickly with the amortization calculations. We ended up using a simple loan tracking software called LoanPro that automatically calculates the principal/interest breakdown for each payment - cost about $15/month but was worth it for the accuracy and professional-looking statements. Regarding state requirements, we found this information through our state's Department of Revenue website, but honestly it was buried pretty deep in their publications. Each state can have different rules about reporting family loans, especially if they exceed certain amounts. We ended up consulting with a local tax attorney for about an hour ($200 consultation) just to make sure we weren't missing anything specific to our state. The attorney also helped us understand that some states require additional disclosures or have different gift tax implications that layer on top of federal requirements. It's definitely worth checking your state's specific rules rather than just relying on federal IRS guidance alone.
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Bethany Groves
I went through this same situation about 6 months ago when helping my daughter with her first home purchase. Your dad's accountant is absolutely right - you need to use the regular monthly long-term AFR of 1.72%, not the adjusted AFR. The adjusted AFR is specifically used for certain tax calculations involving tax-exempt bonds and other specialized financial instruments that don't apply to family mortgage loans. Using the lower adjusted rate would put you below the IRS minimum threshold and could trigger gift tax reporting requirements. A few key things I learned from our experience: - The 1.72% rate gets locked in when you establish the loan and won't change even if future AFRs fluctuate - You can charge slightly higher than 1.72% if you want extra protection (we used 2.0% for simplicity) - Make sure your loan truly qualifies as "long-term" (over 9 years) - if it's shorter, you'd need the mid-term AFR instead Most importantly, treat this like a real commercial loan with proper documentation, regular payments, and clear terms. The IRS scrutinizes family loans to ensure they're legitimate debt arrangements rather than disguised gifts. We ended up recording our mortgage with the county (cost about $80) which helped establish legitimacy and allowed my daughter to claim the mortgage interest deduction. Well worth the small upfront cost for the long-term tax benefits and peace of mind!
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Abigail bergen
•This is such helpful information! I'm actually in the early stages of considering a family loan myself and really appreciate hearing about real experiences. When you mention recording the mortgage with the county for $80, did you handle that process yourself or did you need legal assistance? Also, I'm curious about the mortgage interest deduction aspect - did your daughter's tax situation change significantly in terms of what she could deduct compared to if she had gotten a traditional bank mortgage? I want to make sure I understand all the tax implications for both parties before moving forward.
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Giovanni Gallo
I just went through this exact process with my son's home purchase last month, and I can confirm your dad's accountant is correct. You absolutely need to use the regular monthly long-term AFR of 1.72%, not the adjusted AFR of 1.31%. The adjusted AFR is used for very specific tax calculations related to certain tax-exempt obligations and bond calculations - it's not applicable to family mortgage loans. If you use the lower adjusted rate, the IRS will consider the difference between what you should have charged (1.72%) and what you actually charged (1.31%) as a gift, which could trigger gift tax reporting requirements. Here's what worked well for our family loan: - We used exactly 1.75% (slightly above the minimum AFR for extra safety) - Created a formal promissory note with clear payment terms - Set up automatic monthly payments to show consistency - Recorded the mortgage with our county recorder ($75 fee in our area) The recording process was straightforward - we brought a properly notarized mortgage document to the county office. This created an official record and allowed my son to claim the mortgage interest deduction on his taxes, just like with a traditional bank loan. One important note: make sure your loan term actually qualifies as long-term (over 9 years). If you're planning a shorter term, you'd need to use the mid-term AFR instead, which would be different from the 1.72% rate. The key is treating this as a legitimate commercial loan in every way - regular payments, proper documentation, and following all IRS requirements. It's been a great arrangement for our family while staying compliant with tax laws!
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Isabella Costa
•Thanks for sharing your experience! This is really reassuring to hear from someone who just went through the process. I'm particularly interested in your comment about setting up automatic payments - did you handle this through your bank or did you use a specific loan servicing platform? Also, when you recorded the mortgage with the county, did you need to have the document prepared by an attorney or were you able to create it yourself? I want to make sure I budget appropriately for all the professional services we might need. The 1.75% rate you used sounds like a smart approach for that extra buffer above the minimum AFR requirement.
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Landon Morgan
I'm currently in a similar situation and have been researching this extensively. Your dad's accountant is absolutely correct - you must use the regular monthly long-term AFR of 1.72%, not the adjusted AFR of 1.31%. The adjusted AFR has very specific applications in tax law, primarily for calculating imputed income on below-market loans involving tax-exempt organizations and certain bond calculations. It's not meant for standard family mortgage loans and using it would put you well below the IRS minimum threshold. A couple of additional points from my research: - The AFR is determined by the term of your loan: short-term (≤3 years), mid-term (3-9 years), or long-term (>9 years) - You can find the current rates in the monthly IRS Revenue Rulings published in the Internal Revenue Bulletin - The rate you establish at origination stays fixed for the entire loan term - You're allowed to charge above the minimum AFR if you want extra security I'd strongly recommend treating this exactly like a commercial loan with proper documentation, regular payment schedules, and recording the mortgage if possible. The IRS looks at the "substance over form" to determine if it's truly a loan versus a disguised gift. The fact that you're asking these questions upfront shows you're taking the right approach. Better to get it right from the beginning than deal with potential gift tax issues later!
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TillyCombatwarrior
•This is really comprehensive information, thank you! I'm just starting to explore family loan options and appreciate the detailed breakdown of the AFR categories by loan term. Quick question - when you mention that the rate stays fixed for the entire loan term, does that apply even if we want to refinance or modify the loan later? For example, if AFRs drop significantly in a few years, could we restructure the loan at a lower rate, or would that be treated as a new loan for tax purposes? Also, do you happen to know if there are any restrictions on prepayment or early payoff that might affect the tax treatment?
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Axel Bourke
I've been helping families navigate AFR requirements for several years, and I can definitively confirm that your dad's accountant is correct. You must use the regular monthly long-term AFR of 1.72%, not the adjusted AFR of 1.31%. The adjusted AFR is specifically designed for certain tax calculations involving tax-exempt bonds, original issue discount calculations, and other specialized financial instruments - it has no application for family mortgage loans. Using the adjusted rate would put you significantly below the IRS minimum threshold and create immediate gift tax implications. Here are the key points to remember: - Long-term AFR applies to loans over 9 years (1.72% for April 2025) - Mid-term AFR applies to loans 3-9 years - Short-term AFR applies to loans 3 years or less The rate you choose at loan origination is locked in for the entire term - no adjustments needed even if future AFRs change. You can absolutely use a rate higher than 1.72% for extra security (many families round up to 2% for simplicity). Most importantly, document everything properly: written promissory note, mortgage document, regular payment schedule, and consider recording with your county. The IRS evaluates whether you're treating this as a legitimate loan versus a disguised gift, so maintain commercial loan standards throughout. I've seen too many families get into trouble by cutting corners on documentation or using incorrect rates. Better to invest in proper setup now than deal with potential audit issues later!
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Amara Adeyemi
•This is exactly the kind of comprehensive guidance I was hoping to find! As someone just starting to research family loans, I really appreciate how you've broken down the different AFR categories and emphasized the importance of proper documentation. One question that's been nagging at me - when you mention recording with the county, is this something that needs to be done immediately at loan origination, or can it be done later if we initially forget this step? Also, I've heard conflicting information about whether both the promissory note AND a separate mortgage document need to be recorded, or if just one is sufficient. The distinction between these two documents and their purposes is still a bit unclear to me. Thanks for sharing your expertise - it's invaluable for those of us trying to navigate this process correctly from the start!
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Ivanna St. Pierre
I'm facing the exact same situation with my family and really appreciate all the detailed responses here! Just to add my experience - I initially made the mistake of trying to use online calculators to figure out the AFR, but many of them don't distinguish between the regular and adjusted rates clearly. What really helped me was going directly to the IRS website and looking up the current month's Revenue Ruling. For April 2025, it's crystal clear that the long-term AFR is 1.72% (annual compounding) for loans over 9 years, and that's definitely what you need for a typical family mortgage. The adjusted AFR that's confusing you is used for completely different tax situations - mainly involving tax-exempt bonds and certain income calculations that don't apply to family loans at all. One tip that saved me time: I called my county recorder's office before preparing any documents to ask about their specific requirements for recording mortgages. Each county has different formatting rules, and getting it wrong means delays and extra fees. In my area, they required specific margin sizes, notarization, and even had a checklist of required language. Your dad's accountant is spot-on with the 1.72% recommendation. You can go higher for safety, but that's your minimum to avoid any gift tax complications. Good luck with your home purchase - family loans can be wonderful when done right!
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Alice Coleman
•This is such helpful practical advice! I'm just beginning to explore family loan options and your point about checking directly with the county recorder's office is brilliant - I wouldn't have thought about the formatting requirements varying by location. When you mention that the Revenue Ruling makes it "crystal clear" about the 1.72% rate, did you find any other useful information in that document that might be relevant for family loans? I'm trying to gather as much official IRS guidance as possible before moving forward. Also, I'm curious about your experience with the county recorder - did they provide you with a template or checklist, or did you need to find/create the mortgage document format yourself? Thanks for sharing these real-world tips - they're exactly what someone new to this process needs to know!
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Sasha Reese
Your dad's accountant is absolutely correct - you need to use the regular monthly long-term AFR of 1.72% for your family mortgage loan, not the adjusted AFR of 1.31%. The adjusted AFR is used for very specific tax calculations involving certain tax-exempt obligations, original issue discount computations, and other specialized financial instruments that don't apply to family loans. Using the adjusted rate would put you below the IRS minimum threshold and could result in the difference being treated as a taxable gift. Since you mentioned this is for a house purchase, I'm assuming you're looking at a loan term longer than 9 years, which qualifies for the long-term AFR. If your loan term is actually between 3-9 years, you'd need to use the mid-term AFR instead. A few important points from someone who recently went through this process: - The 1.72% rate gets locked in when you establish the loan and won't change over time - You can charge a higher rate if you want extra security (many families round up to 2%) - Make sure you have proper written documentation - promissory note, clear payment terms, etc. - Consider recording the mortgage with your county to establish legitimacy and enable mortgage interest deduction The IRS looks at whether you're treating this as a real loan versus a disguised gift, so maintain proper documentation and make regular payments as scheduled. It's worth doing this right from the start to avoid any potential tax complications down the road.
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Paloma Clark
•This is really helpful confirmation about using the 1.72% rate! As someone completely new to family loans, I'm wondering about the timing of when to lock in the AFR. Do we need to use the AFR from the month we actually close on the house, or can we use the current month's rate (April 2025) even if we don't close until May or June? I want to make sure we're planning with the correct rate, especially if AFRs change between now and when we finalize everything. Also, when you mention "proper written documentation," are there any specific clauses or language that the IRS particularly looks for to establish this as a legitimate loan rather than a gift?
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