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Freya Collins

Tax implications of transitioning from employee to partner in an LLC partnership

Hello everyone, I'm currently working as a regular employee for an LLC that was recently spun off from our parent organization. The parent company owners are now offering myself and a few other key employees who helped launch this spinoff a vested ownership stake in the business. From what I've gathered, our new company has to be structured as a Partnership for tax purposes and cannot be an S-corp because the parent company will maintain partial ownership. My understanding is that only individuals can hold ownership stakes in an S-corp. Currently, I receive a standard salary with benefits like health insurance and a 401k plan. I pay the usual income tax, social security, and Medicare/Medicaid taxes from my paycheck. What I'm struggling with is that if I become a partial owner, it seems I can no longer be classified as an employee. This means I'd have to pay self-employment taxes, lose the pre-tax benefit on health insurance, and lose access to the 401k since I'd no longer receive W-2 wages but would instead get a K-1. I know there's an option for "Guaranteed Payments" instead of a salary, but honestly I'm having trouble seeing the actual financial benefit of accepting ownership under this tax structure. Am I missing something important here? Are there advantages I'm not considering?

LongPeri

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The transition from employee to partner does change your tax situation, but there are some benefits you might be overlooking. As a partner, you'll receive your share of the business profits through your K-1, which can potentially be much more valuable than a fixed salary in the long run. While you will face self-employment taxes (which covers both the employee and employer portions of Social Security and Medicare), there are also some tax advantages. Partners can deduct 20% of qualified business income under Section 199A if you meet certain requirements. This can be a significant tax benefit that employees don't have access to. For retirement planning, you can establish a Solo 401(k) or SEP IRA with potentially higher contribution limits than a traditional 401(k). Some partnerships also offer partnership-level retirement plans. Regarding health insurance, while it's not a pre-tax benefit in the same way, partners can deduct 100% of health insurance premiums as an adjustment to income on their personal returns. Don't forget that ownership also means building equity in a business that could grow substantially or be sold at some point, creating a wealth-building opportunity beyond just salary.

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Oscar O'Neil

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Thanks for your response. Quick question - with the Solo 401k or SEP IRA options, are the contribution limits based on the guaranteed payments, or would they be based on my entire income from the partnership including profit distributions? Also, do most people in this situation typically negotiate for higher guaranteed payments to offset the additional self-employment tax burden?

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LongPeri

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For Solo 401(k) or SEP IRA contribution limits, they're based on your net earnings from self-employment, which includes both guaranteed payments and your distributive share of income. This can potentially allow for higher retirement contributions than a traditional employee 401(k). Many partners do negotiate higher guaranteed payments to help offset the self-employment tax burden. However, there's often a balancing act here. Taking too much as guaranteed payments subjects more income to self-employment taxes, while taking more as distributions might provide some tax advantages. The right mix depends on your specific financial situation and the partnership agreement.

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I was in a very similar situation last year and discovered https://taxr.ai when trying to figure out all the tax implications. The service analyzed my specific situation and showed me exactly how my taxes would change going from employee to partner. What helped me the most was seeing a side-by-side comparison of my current tax situation versus what it would look like as a partner with various levels of guaranteed payments and profit distributions. This made it much clearer what I was giving up and what I was gaining. My biggest concern was also losing my 401k, but the analysis showed how establishing a Solo 401k as a partner actually allowed me to contribute significantly more toward retirement than my company plan did.

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Did this service consider the qualified business income deduction in their analysis? My accountant mentioned it but wasn't very clear about how much benefit it would actually provide in a partnership situation.

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Liv Park

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How accurate was their analysis compared to what actually happened when you made the switch? I'm always skeptical of these online tools since they can miss nuances that end up costing you.

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Yes, they factored in the Section 199A qualified business income deduction in the analysis. It showed different scenarios based on the business type and income levels, including phase-out thresholds. For me, this deduction ended up being worth about 15% of my total tax savings. The analysis was surprisingly accurate when I made the switch. I took their projections to my CPA who confirmed most of it, with only minor adjustments for some state-specific issues. The biggest value was helping me understand the tradeoffs so I could negotiate better terms with the partnership. They accounted for nuances like the additional Medicare surtax and how guaranteed payments affect self-employment taxes differently than distributions.

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I used https://taxr.ai after seeing it mentioned here and it was exactly what I needed. I was moving from a W-2 position to a partnership stake at a consulting firm and was worried about the tax implications. The analysis helped me see that with the right structure, I could actually come out ahead despite the self-employment taxes. What I didn't realize before was how the pass-through deduction would apply to my situation. It showed me that with my expected income level, the 20% QBI deduction would offset most of the additional self-employment tax burden. The most valuable insight was helping me understand how to structure my guaranteed payments vs. distributions for optimal tax treatment. I ended up negotiating for slightly lower guaranteed payments than initially offered, but higher profit distributions, which resulted in better overall after-tax income.

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When I was trying to reach the IRS to get clarity on partnership tax issues, it was nearly impossible to get through. After weeks of trying, I found https://claimyr.com and was skeptical but desperate. You can see how it works here: https://youtu.be/_kiP6q8DX5c They got me connected to an actual IRS agent within about 45 minutes when I'd been trying for weeks on my own. The agent was able to clarify several questions I had about guaranteed payments vs. distributions and the self-employment tax implications. What surprised me most was learning that if the partnership agreement is structured properly, certain expenses like health insurance can be handled at the partnership level in ways that can be more advantageous than the standard employee benefits.

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Ryder Greene

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How does this actually work? Does it just keep calling the IRS for you? Seems like it would be easier to just talk to a tax professional instead of the IRS directly.

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Freya Collins

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This sounds too good to be true. I've tried calling the IRS multiple times this year and couldn't get through. Are you sure they weren't just connecting you to a call center that pretends to be the IRS? I've heard about scams like that.

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It uses an automated system that navigates the IRS phone tree and waits on hold for you. When an actual IRS agent answers, you get a call connecting you directly to them. It's not continually calling - it just waits in the queue so you don't have to. It's definitely different than talking to a tax professional. Tax pros can give advice, but sometimes you need answers directly from the IRS about how they interpret specific situations, especially with partnerships where there can be gray areas. I talked to my accountant first, but there were specific questions about my situation that he suggested getting clarification from the IRS on.

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Freya Collins

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I was completely wrong about Claimyr. After being skeptical, I decided to try it because I was desperate to get answers about partner tax status. Within an hour, I was talking to an actual IRS agent who walked me through the specific regulations regarding guaranteed payments and self-employment taxes. She confirmed that while I would pay more in SE taxes, the qualified business income deduction would offset much of that increase at my income level. The most valuable insight came when she explained how the partnership could potentially cover my health insurance in a way that would still give me the tax benefits similar to what I had as an employee. This wasn't obvious from my research online. Sometimes getting information directly from the source makes a huge difference. I'm actually going to accept the partnership offer now with a much better understanding of the tax implications.

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Something that nobody has mentioned yet - you should also consider the state tax implications of becoming a partner. In some states, partnerships may be subject to entity-level taxes or require filing in multiple states if the business operates across state lines. Also, as a partner, you might be required to make quarterly estimated tax payments since you won't have withholding from a W-2. This requires more cash flow planning throughout the year. One benefit though - partnerships often have more flexibility in allocating different types of income, deductions, and credits among partners than corporations do with employees. This can sometimes be structured to your advantage.

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Freya Collins

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How complicated is it to deal with the quarterly estimated tax payments? I've never had to do that before and I'm concerned about the administrative burden.

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Quarterly estimated taxes aren't terribly complicated, but they do require some planning. You'll need to estimate your annual income and calculate payments four times per year (generally due April 15, June 15, September 15, and January 15 of the following year). Most tax software can help calculate these for you, or your accountant can set up a payment schedule. Many partners set up a separate savings account where they automatically transfer their estimated tax percentage from each distribution or guaranteed payment. The main challenge is cash flow - you need to remember that a portion of every dollar that comes in needs to be set aside for taxes rather than having it automatically withheld.

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Don't overlook the liability aspects too! Being a partner potentially exposes you to more business liability than being just an employee, depending on how the partnership is structured. If it's a general partnership interest, you could have unlimited personal liability for the business's debts and legal issues. If it's a limited partnership interest, your liability is usually capped at your investment. Since you mentioned it's an LLC, you should have some liability protection, but make sure to understand exactly what your partnership agreement says about this. Also check if the company maintains proper liability insurance for partners.

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AaliyahAli

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This is a really important point. I became a partner in an LLC last year and we had to increase our liability insurance coverage. Our attorney also recommended we each get personal umbrella policies as an extra layer of protection.

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One aspect that hasn't been fully covered is the potential impact on your Social Security benefits calculation. As an employee, your employer pays half of your Social Security taxes, but as a partner, you'll pay the full 15.3% self-employment tax on your earnings (though you can deduct half of it). However, this actually means more of your income will count toward your Social Security earnings record, which could result in higher future Social Security benefits when you retire. Also, regarding the 401(k) loss - while you'll lose access to any employer matching, a Solo 401(k) as a partner can actually allow you to contribute both as the "employee" (up to $23,000 for 2024, or $30,500 if over 50) AND as the "employer" (up to 25% of compensation), potentially letting you save much more for retirement than a traditional employer plan. The key is running the numbers for your specific situation. The immediate tax changes might look concerning, but the long-term wealth-building potential of ownership, combined with the tax advantages available to business owners, often makes it worthwhile.

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