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Jabari-Jo

Tax Deductions for LLC Formed to Lease Luxury Box Suite at Stadium - Maximizing Write-offs

I'm hoping someone can point me in the right direction on this tax situation. My business has partnered with 4 other companies to form an LLC specifically to lease a luxury suite at our local sports arena. We're trying to figure out how to maximize the tax deductibility of this arrangement. The lease agreement we signed doesn't specify separate values for the game tickets or parking passes that come with the suite. We also added 4 additional standing room tickets (which actually do have seats) and one extra parking pass - these add-ons did have specific prices attached to them. The box is available for our business use Monday through Friday during business hours as office space or for client meetings. We plan to generate some revenue by reselling tickets for games we can't attend, though realistically the LLC will probably operate at a net loss most years. My questions are: 1. Is there a standard approach to valuing the tickets and parking passes for tax purposes since they're not itemized in the lease? 2. Would it be reasonable to deduct the lease cost (minus the value of tickets and parking) as a business expense? 3. What type of tax specialist should we consult for this situation? Would we need a formal legal opinion? Any guidance would be appreciated!

Kristin Frank

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This is actually a common area where businesses need to be careful. Entertainment expenses like luxury boxes at stadiums fall under specific IRS rules that limit deductibility. Since 2018, the tax law changed significantly regarding business entertainment. Generally, entertainment expenses (including stadium suites) are no longer deductible. However, there are exceptions. Business meetings held in the suite during normal business hours (as you mentioned) may qualify as office space rather than entertainment. For the tickets specifically, if you're providing them to clients, they might be 50% deductible as business meals if you're discussing business during the event and food/beverages are provided separately. Keep detailed records of who attended and what business was discussed. For the LLC structure, since it's operating at a loss, you'll need to be careful about passive activity loss limitations depending on how the LLC is taxed and your level of participation. I'd recommend working with a CPA who specializes in business entertainment and pass-through entities. This is definitely a gray area that needs professional guidance rather than just a general tax preparer.

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Micah Trail

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Thanks for this detailed answer. You mentioned the 2018 tax law changes - is there any chance of those entertainment deduction rules changing again soon? I heard rumors that Congress might restore some of those deductions. Also, if we're reselling some of the tickets, does that change how we can handle the deductions?

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Kristin Frank

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There have been ongoing discussions about modifying the entertainment deduction rules, but nothing concrete has passed yet. I wouldn't make business decisions based on potential future changes - work with what's currently in place. Regarding reselling tickets, that actually creates a different situation. If you're in the regular business of reselling tickets, those costs directly related to the resale activity become ordinary business expenses rather than entertainment expenses. You'd report the revenue from ticket sales and could potentially deduct the proportional cost of those specific tickets as cost of goods sold. Just be aware this might trigger scrutiny about whether this is truly a business or more of a tax strategy.

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Talia Klein

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One aspect nobody's mentioned yet is that if your LLC is consistently operating at a loss, you could face hobby loss scrutiny from the IRS. Make sure you have a genuine profit motive and business purpose documented. The IRS typically looks at whether an activity has shown profit in 3 out of 5 consecutive years. If your LLC is always losing money because the luxury box costs more than you make reselling tickets, they could disallow the losses entirely by ruling it's not a genuine business activity.

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Jabari-Jo

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That's a really good point I hadn't considered. If we're always operating at a loss, does that automatically trigger the hobby loss rules? Are there specific things we should do to establish legitimate business intent beyond just the profit/loss ratio?

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Talia Klein

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Operating at a loss doesn't automatically trigger hobby loss treatment, but it does increase your risk of scrutiny. The IRS looks at several factors beyond just profitability, including whether you conduct the activity in a businesslike manner, your expertise, time and effort spent, expectation that assets may appreciate, success in similar activities, history of income/losses, and financial status. To strengthen your position, maintain detailed business records, have a formal business plan showing path to profitability, separate business accounts, professional marketing of ticket resales, and documentation of business meetings held in the suite. Consider consulting with a tax attorney to develop a written opinion letter on the business purpose that could help in case of audit.

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Has anyone considered the personal use implications? If any of the partners or their employees use the box for personal enjoyment (like bringing family to games), there could be taxable fringe benefit issues to consider. The IRS might view this as compensation subject to income and employment taxes.

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PaulineW

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This is a huge issue most people overlook. We had to create a formal policy where employees "purchase" tickets at fair market value when using the company suite for personal use. Otherwise, the value gets added to their W-2 as taxable compensation. Our tax advisor said this is a common area where companies get hit during audits.

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Exactly. And determining "fair market value" for luxury box tickets isn't straightforward either. Generally, you should look at comparable single-game suite tickets or similar premium seating. If employees are paying below market rate, the difference becomes taxable compensation. Also worth noting - if owners/partners are using the suite, there could be constructive dividend or guaranteed payment issues depending on your entity structure. The IRS loves to reclassify these kinds of arrangements during audits.

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Don't forget to check state and local tax implications too. Some states have different rules about entertainment deductions than federal. In our case, the state still allowed certain entertainment deductions that were eliminated at the federal level after 2018.

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Great point about state tax differences! This is something that often gets overlooked when people focus only on federal rules. In addition to entertainment deduction variances, some states also have different treatment for LLC losses and passive activity rules. For example, certain states don't conform to federal passive loss limitations, which could affect how your LLC's losses flow through to the partners. Also worth checking - some localities have specific taxes on luxury entertainment that might apply to your lease arrangement. I've seen cases where cities impose additional taxes on premium sports entertainment that businesses need to factor into their overall cost analysis. Would definitely recommend having your tax professional run the numbers at federal, state, and local levels before finalizing your structure. The state savings might help offset some of the federal limitations, or vice versa.

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KaiEsmeralda

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This is really helpful information that I hadn't considered! As someone new to this type of tax situation, I'm curious - when you mention checking state and local rules, is there a reliable resource for researching these differences? I'm wondering if the complexity of managing federal vs state vs local implications might actually outweigh the tax benefits we're hoping to achieve. Has anyone done a cost-benefit analysis that factors in all these different jurisdictions and compliance requirements? Also, @Javier Morales, when you mention "having your tax professional run the numbers" - are we talking about needing separate professionals for each jurisdiction, or can most CPAs handle the multi-level analysis?

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Great question about resources and complexity management! For researching state/local tax differences, I'd recommend starting with your state's Department of Revenue website - most have specific guidance on entertainment deductions and LLC treatment. The CCH State Tax Guide and BNA Tax Management portfolios are also excellent professional resources, though they require subscriptions. Regarding cost-benefit analysis, you're absolutely right to consider this. I've seen situations where the compliance costs (both time and professional fees) exceeded the tax savings, especially for smaller LLCs. A good rule of thumb is if your annual suite costs are under $50k, the multi-jurisdictional complexity might not be worth it unless you have significant other business activities to justify the overhead. For professional help, most experienced CPAs can handle multi-jurisdictional analysis, but you want someone who specifically works with entertainment/hospitality businesses and multi-state LLCs. Don't hesitate to ask potential advisors about their experience with luxury box arrangements specifically - this is specialized enough that general practice CPAs might miss important nuances. One practical tip: consider starting with a simple federal/state analysis first, then expanding to local considerations only if the initial numbers look promising. This staged approach can help you avoid over-investing in analysis upfront.

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This staged approach makes a lot of sense, especially for someone just starting to navigate this type of arrangement. Your $50k threshold is really helpful as a benchmark for when the complexity becomes worthwhile. I'm curious about the timing of getting professional advice - should we consult with a specialist before finalizing our LLC operating agreement and lease terms, or is it okay to get the structure in place first and then optimize for taxes? I'm wondering if there are any structural decisions that would be difficult or expensive to change later if we discover better tax strategies. Also, when you mention looking for CPAs with entertainment/hospitality experience, are there specific certifications or professional associations we should look for? I want to make sure we find someone who really understands these niche issues rather than someone who claims expertise but might miss important details.

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Levi Parker

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This is an excellent question about timing and professional credentials! You definitely want to consult with a tax specialist BEFORE finalizing your LLC operating agreement and lease terms. There are several structural elements that are much easier (and cheaper) to get right upfront than to modify later. Key structural considerations that affect tax treatment include: how the LLC allocates profits/losses among members, whether you elect S-corp taxation, specific language about business purpose and entertainment restrictions, and how you handle member personal use policies. Some lease terms can also be structured to better separate business use from entertainment components. For finding the right professional, look for CPAs with the Personal Financial Specialist (PFS) designation or those who are members of specialized groups like the AICPA's Entertainment, Arts & Sports Committee. The National Association of Tax Professionals also has entertainment industry focus groups. More importantly, ask potential advisors for specific references from clients with similar luxury box arrangements. A good specialist should be able to discuss recent IRS guidance on entertainment facilities, passive activity grouping strategies for LLCs, and state conformity issues off the top of their head. Don't be afraid to pay for a consultation with 2-3 different specialists before choosing one. The upfront investment in getting the structure right will save you significantly more in both taxes and future restructuring costs. I've seen too many LLCs have to unwind and restart because they got the initial setup wrong.

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CosmicCowboy

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This is incredibly valuable advice about getting the structure right from the beginning! As someone completely new to this type of tax situation, I really appreciate the specific guidance on what to look for in professionals and the emphasis on upfront planning. Your point about consulting with multiple specialists before choosing one is particularly helpful. I hadn't realized that the LLC operating agreement language itself could have such significant tax implications. When you mention "specific language about business purpose and entertainment restrictions," are there standard clauses that most experienced professionals would know to include, or is this something that needs to be customized for each situation? Also, I'm curious about the timeline - if we're looking to have our LLC and lease in place for the upcoming season, how far in advance should we start this consultation process? I want to make sure we give ourselves enough time to get everything structured properly without rushing into suboptimal decisions. Thanks for sharing your expertise - this thread has been incredibly educational for navigating what initially seemed like a straightforward business expense but clearly has many complex layers!

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