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Can I open an LLC for my football season tickets and write off the $60K purchase cost against ticket resale income?

I purchased season ticket licenses for my favorite NFL team about 3 years ago for around $80K, and I pay roughly $12K annually for the actual season tickets. I have the PSLs (personal seat licenses) and end up selling tickets for most games each year since I can't attend all of them. I have two main questions about this: First, would it make sense to create an LLC or some other business entity to protect myself from liability? I'm concerned about potential issues that could arise from repeatedly selling tickets to strangers. Second, I'm confused about the tax implications. Can I write off the initial $80K investment in the licenses plus what I spend each season on the tickets against the income I make from reselling them? Do I deduct that $80K all at once, or do I have to spread it out over time until I've recovered the full amount? After that, would I just continue writing off the annual ticket costs? I want to make sure I'm reporting everything correctly on my taxes and protecting myself legally. Any advice would be appreciated!

Joy Olmedo

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I handle this exact situation for several clients! The short answer is yes, you can form an LLC and yes, you can write off the costs, but there are important nuances. For the LLC question - forming one can provide liability protection and make it easier to track expenses/income separately from your personal finances. However, the real consideration is whether you're running this as a business or hobby. The IRS looks at factors like: Do you maintain proper records? Do you depend on this income? Are you operating in a businesslike manner? If you're consistently selling tickets to make a profit (not just occasionally selling games you can't attend), an LLC makes sense. For the tax question - the $80K PSL cost is considered a capital asset. You generally can't deduct the entire amount upfront. Instead, you'd amortize this cost over the useful life of the licenses (often the length of the stadium agreement or a reasonable time period). The annual ticket costs are deductible as ordinary business expenses in the year paid. Be aware that you need to show profit in 3 out of 5 years to avoid the IRS classifying this as a hobby rather than a business (which limits deductions).

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Isaiah Cross

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Thanks for this info. If I form an LLC do I need to report the PSL licenses as an asset of the LLC? I already own them personally. And do you know if most stadiums allow tickets to be held by LLCs or does the name on the account need to match my personal name?

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Joy Olmedo

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You have a couple options for transferring the PSLs to your LLC. You can either contribute them as a capital contribution (essentially selling them to your LLC), or you can leave them in your name and have the LLC "rent" them from you. Many of my clients prefer the second option for simplicity. Just document it with a written agreement between yourself and the LLC. Most stadiums will allow tickets to be held by an LLC, but policies vary by team. You'll need to contact your team's ticket office to verify their specific rules. Some require documentation of the LLC ownership and may have transfer fees. If they don't allow LLCs to hold tickets, you can still run the business through an LLC while keeping the tickets in your name - just document everything carefully.

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Kiara Greene

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Evelyn Kelly

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Did they help you figure out if you need to collect sales tax on the tickets? That's what I'm most confused about with my tickets.

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Paloma Clark

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Was it worth the cost? And did they help with the actual LLC formation docs or just the tax analysis part? I'm trying to figure out if I should use them or just hire a local accountant.

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Kiara Greene

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They actually covered the sales tax question extensively. It turns out it varies by state, but in most cases, you don't need to collect sales tax on the resale of tickets if you're just a casual seller. However, if you're doing volume sales or operating as a business, you may need to register and collect. They provided state-by-state breakdowns which was super helpful. I definitely found it worth the cost compared to what my accountant was charging for hourly consultations. They didn't handle the actual LLC formation directly - for that I used my state's online filing system. But they did provide templates for operating agreements and other internal documents specifically tailored for ticket reselling businesses. They also gave me a checklist of exactly what I needed to file and where, which made the process really straightforward.

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Paloma Clark

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Heather Tyson

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Something nobody's mentioned yet is that you should be careful about the language you use with the IRS. If you call your ticket reselling a "business," you're setting certain expectations about how consistently you operate and your intent to make a profit. I've been reselling my MLB season tickets for years, and my accountant advised me to create a detailed business plan that shows my profit motive and keep meticulous records of all my activities. This includes tracking time spent managing listings, dealing with buyers, analyzing which games will sell best, etc. For my LLC, I also track every possible business expense - portion of home internet used for sales, mileage to deliver tickets, portion of cell phone used for business calls, etc. It all adds up to significant deductions.

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This is super helpful! How detailed do you get with your business plan? Do you actually write out profit projections and stuff? And do you track all those expenses manually or use some kind of software?

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I keep my business plan fairly simple but specific. I create annual revenue projections based on previous years' sales and ticket price trends. I also outline my strategy for which games I'll attend personally versus sell, and how I price different opponents/days of week. Nothing fancy, but it clearly shows I'm approaching this systematically with the intention to profit. For expense tracking, I use QuickBooks Self-Employed which lets me easily categorize expenses and track mileage. It also generates nice profit/loss statements that I include with my tax return. The key is consistency - I record everything as it happens rather than trying to reconstruct it at tax time. My accountant says this kind of documentation is crucial if you ever get audited, especially with ticket reselling which the IRS sometimes flags because it can look like a hobby if not properly documented.

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Sasha Reese

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Don't forget to check your state's rules about ticket reselling! I have season tickets for the Cowboys and had to get a special reseller permit in Texas. Some states consider regular ticket reselling without proper licensing to be "scalping" even if you're selling at or below face value. Also, if you're going the LLC route, make sure you maintain the corporate veil by keeping totally separate financial accounts. I made the mistake of sometimes using my personal PayPal for ticket sales when my business account was having issues, and my accountant said that could potentially compromise my liability protection.

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This is a good point! In my state (NY) you need an actual ticket reseller license if you sell above a certain dollar amount per year. I think it's like $5k or something. The application was pretty simple but there was a fee.

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Noland Curtis

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One strategy I don't see mentioned is differentiating between the PSL and the actual tickets. My CPA structured my ticket business so that I personally own the PSLs as an investment asset (since they can appreciate over time), while my LLC "rents" the right to purchase the annual tickets from me. This way, the LLC can deduct the full cost of the annual tickets plus a reasonable "rental fee" for using my PSLs, and I report that rental income personally. This creates some nice tax flexibility depending on my overall situation each year. When/if I eventually sell the PSLs, I'll be taxed at capital gains rates rather than ordinary income. My CPA said this approach works best when the PSLs have significant value like yours do at $80k.

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This is exactly the kind of situation where proper planning upfront can save you thousands in taxes and headaches later. One thing I'd add to the excellent advice already given is to consider the timing of when you set up your LLC and start treating this as a business. If you retroactively try to claim business deductions for years when you were just casually selling tickets, that could raise red flags. But going forward, if you formalize the structure and start operating in a businesslike manner, you'll be in much better shape. Also, don't overlook the potential for other revenue streams once you have the LLC set up. Some of my clients have expanded into buying/selling other events' tickets, partnering with other season ticket holders, or even offering ticket management services. The infrastructure you set up for your football tickets can often support additional activities. Just make sure whatever you do, you're genuinely operating with profit motive and keeping detailed records. The IRS hobby loss rules are no joke, especially with high-dollar activities like this.

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This is really helpful advice about the timing aspect! I'm wondering - since I've already been selling tickets for about 3 years, would it be problematic to form an LLC now and start treating it as a business going forward? Or should I be concerned about the IRS questioning why I'm suddenly calling it a business when I wasn't before? Also, you mentioned other revenue streams - I've actually been thinking about helping some friends who have season tickets but don't want to deal with the hassle of selling them. Would that kind of ticket management service fit well within the same LLC structure, or would that create complications?

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