State Tax Refund While Owing Federal Tax Debt - Will They Offset?
I'm in a bit of a financial pickle here. I just finished calculating my taxes for this year and realized I owe about $13k to the federal government but overpaid my state taxes by roughly $13k as well. I'm wondering if these two amounts will automatically offset each other or if I have to handle them as completely separate transactions? The thing that's stressing me out is that if they're separate, I'll need to pay the full $13k to the feds while waiting weeks (or months?) for my state refund to come through. I don't exactly have an extra $13k just sitting around in my checking account to float this difference. Does anyone know if there's a way to get these to cancel each other out? Or some strategy to avoid having to temporarily come up with this large sum while waiting for my state refund? Any advice would be really appreciated!
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Collins Angel
The federal and state tax systems operate independently, so unfortunately they don't automatically offset each other. You'll need to handle them separately - pay your federal tax debt and wait for your state refund to process. However, you do have some options to manage this situation. The IRS offers payment plans if you can't pay the full amount immediately. You can set up an installment agreement online for debts up to $50,000. There's a small setup fee, but it allows you to make monthly payments rather than paying the full amount at once. Another option is to file your state return as early as possible to get that refund process started, then file your federal return closer to the deadline, giving you more time to prepare for the payment or set up a payment plan.
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Marcelle Drum
•If I set up a payment plan with the IRS, will that affect my credit score? Also, roughly how much is the setup fee you mentioned?
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Collins Angel
•Setting up an installment agreement with the IRS generally doesn't affect your credit score - the IRS doesn't report these arrangements to credit bureaus. However, if you default on the payment plan, it could eventually lead to a tax lien which would impact your credit. The setup fee varies depending on how you apply and pay. Online applications are cheaper, currently around $31 if you set up direct debit. If you apply by phone, mail, or in person, or choose to pay by another method, the fee can be around $130. Low-income taxpayers may qualify for reduced fees or fee waivers.
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Sophia Gabriel
Another approach: if your state processes refunds faster than the federal deadline, you could file your state return ASAP but wait to file your federal return until closer to April 15. That way, you might get your state refund before you need to pay the federal bill. Just make sure you're still setting aside the money you'll owe federally and not spending it! The last thing you want is to get your state refund, spend it, and then not have enough for your federal tax bill.
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Tobias Lancaster
•Doesn't some of the info from your federal return carry over to your state return though? Not sure you can file state before federal in most places.
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Sophia Gabriel
•Most tax software lets you complete both returns but only submit one at a time. So you can finish preparing both returns, submit the state one immediately, but hold off on actually submitting the federal one. You're right that some information carries over from federal to state, but that's just in the preparation process. Once both are prepared, you can choose when to file each one separately. I've done this myself when I was in a similar situation.
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Ezra Beard
Just went through this in February. Keep in mind the state might actually withhold your refund if you have federal debt. In my case, Connecticut sent me a letter saying they were holding my state refund because of my federal tax debt. Had to call both the state tax office and the IRS to sort it out. Total headache!
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Statiia Aarssizan
•That's interesting - I thought only the federal government could offset a state refund, not the other way around. What state was this in?
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Ezra Beard
•This happened in Connecticut. They have a system where they check with the federal government before issuing refunds. Not all states do this, but some have agreements with the IRS to help collect federal tax debts. I had to provide proof that I had set up a payment plan with the IRS before Connecticut would release my refund. The whole process took almost 8 weeks, which was frustrating since I was counting on that money to help pay my federal debt.
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KaiEsmeralda
This is exactly the situation I was in last year! The stress of not having $13k sitting around while waiting for bureaucratic processes is real. One thing that helped me was calling my state tax department directly to ask about expedited processing. Some states will prioritize refunds if you explain your situation and that you're using it to pay federal taxes. It's worth a shot - the worst they can say is no. Also, if you have any retirement accounts or can borrow against a 401k, that might be cheaper than IRS penalties and interest. Just make sure you can pay it back quickly when your state refund comes through. The key is having a solid plan for both the payment and repayment timeline.
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Mei-Ling Chen
•That's a really smart approach about calling the state tax department directly! I never would have thought to ask about expedited processing for this specific situation. Do you remember roughly how much faster they were able to process your refund? And did you have to provide any documentation to prove you owed federal taxes, or was it just based on your word? I'm definitely going to try this - even shaving off a few weeks from the processing time would make a huge difference in managing the cash flow situation.
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